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Author Topic:   The Definition for the Theory of Evolution
Dr Adequate
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Message 102 of 216 (410307)
07-14-2007 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by Modulous
07-14-2007 7:59 AM


Ah - so what you are saying is that you weren't addressing what I was talking about then?
I am. You wrote: "anything not currently in the theory can't be explicitly excluded."
I say that anything not currently in the theory must be excluded, because otherwise the theory is unfalsifiable.
I don't see how my definition can prevent or inhibit a creationist lying or obfuscating.
Nor do I.
I can, however, see how giving a definition which says what the theory actually is would handicap a creationist in his attempts at mendacity.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 112 of 216 (410435)
07-15-2007 5:13 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Cold Foreign Object
07-14-2007 3:30 PM


Answer The Questions Already
You are unread and completely ignorant.
This lie does not answer my question. I asked you to quote just one "scholar" who defines the theory of evolution as "natural selection".
Johnson is a recognized scholar.
This lie does not answer my question, which is why does he not give the definition of evolution which you attribute to "scholars".
A change in gene frequencies is the geneticist definition of evolution. It is not the only valid definition of evolution.
This unsupported statement does not answer my question, which is whether you can give me an example of evolution without a change in allele frequencies.
Evolution is inferred; it cannot be observed in real time because it is too slow. What happens in the molecular universe is not falsifiable as one must take the word of the scientist on it, whether an Evolutionist or Creationist.
Evolution is not observable. This makes it much like Creationism: we do not get to see exactly when God creates by special creation. Like evolution, special creation is inferred after the fact.
But this isn't true, is it? You're just reciting the standard creationist lie about the impossibility of knowing about the past.
On the other hand, it does incidentally provide a sort of answer to my question. I wrote "Evolution is observed as well as inferred, surely you know that?" And apparently you don't.
Now that I know you are unread and ignorant I will not be reading anymore of your messages.
Ah yes, creationism. Declare victory, then run away as fast as your fwightened ickle legs will carry you.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 114 of 216 (410441)
07-15-2007 5:59 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by RAZD
07-14-2007 7:21 PM


Re: Synthetic theory examples
This is the common frequency of alleles definition, heavy on genetics, light on natural selection, and mute on speciation (or even the question of what a species is).
Speciation is one of the things that the theory of evolution explains, it's not part of the explanation.

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Message 129 of 216 (413476)
07-31-2007 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by IamJoseph
07-30-2007 9:25 PM


Re: OFF TOPIC
The problem is that what you're saying doesn't mean anything.

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Message 134 of 216 (413495)
07-31-2007 4:08 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by IamJoseph
07-31-2007 3:34 AM


Any Examples?
Bi - o - lo - gy.

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Message 154 of 216 (414238)
08-03-2007 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Cold Foreign Object
08-02-2007 12:09 PM


It is not a matter of opinion:
Oh, look, you said something true!
You should have quit while you were ahead, but no ...
The theory of evolution includes the laws of genetics, because without the laws of genetics it is not possible to explain evolution, which is, by definition, what the theory of evolution does.
This is not a matter of opinion.

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Message 155 of 216 (414240)
08-03-2007 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by MartinV
08-01-2007 3:05 PM


Explaining The Bleedin' Obvious
I don't see reason why Theory of Evolution (ToE) is reffered as the modern synthesis.
Because it's a synthesis, and because it's modern.

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Message 189 of 216 (417237)
08-20-2007 12:23 AM
Reply to: Message 185 by Ihategod
08-19-2007 11:47 PM


Re: I got it!
yeah, i understood the yarns that spun my brain around unneccesarily. hypothesis on assumptions on hypothesis dabbed with some theory and even some facts to top it off.
The fact is the conclusions might be considered science by the extreme religious zealots in the fundamentals of HOE, however the initial guesswork assumptions are not. Or maybe its vice versa. whatever.
"Whatever", eh? That's a good argument. Well, as good as all the other creationist arguments.
Let us know when you've worked out what it is you're trying to say, and we'll tell you why it's wrong.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 192 of 216 (417245)
08-20-2007 12:46 AM
Reply to: Message 191 by Rob
08-20-2007 12:32 AM


Re: I got it!
So before he has even fully communicated his position, you already know that it is wrong?
I't a fair supposition. No-one's come up with a good creationist argument in the last 150 years, so I'd be willing to bet that it's not going to happen here, now, coming from someone totally unfamiliar with the scientific literature.
Tell you what, though, if he somehow manages to destroy the foundations of biology --- I'll buy you a pint.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 193 of 216 (417246)
08-20-2007 12:47 AM
Reply to: Message 190 by Ihategod
08-20-2007 12:28 AM


Re: I got it!
In layman's terms, common descent is shit.
It's a religion, and should be left out of the definition of evolution.
Wow, that was such a detailed and trenchant critique, you should publish it somewhere.

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Message 194 of 216 (417249)
08-20-2007 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 186 by Rob
08-19-2007 11:53 PM


Re: I got it!
Yeah, facts. What do they prove, eh?
---
I think we should advertise for some smarter creationists. If there are any.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 198 of 216 (417275)
08-20-2007 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 195 by Rob
08-20-2007 1:08 AM


Re: I got it!
By the way, the foundations of biology are philsophical.
Nope.
So, even if he does bring the stone down and it crushes you (when you could have cast yourself upon it and willingly been broken); you will be oblivious, because you are not thinking at his level.
You will simply be tormented forever by your lack of understanding and demise. It will never make sense to you, because you will not let it make sense. It would cost you your most treasured posession; your sin.
Are you taking some sort of drug?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 199 of 216 (417279)
08-20-2007 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 197 by Ihategod
08-20-2007 1:48 AM


Re: I got it!
I almost forget how good HOE's (hypothesis of evolutioners) are at assuming things. That kind of faith could be put to good use. ;p
Why is it always the opposition that doesn't understand? If I really wanted to immerse myself in scientific literature I'd watch certain porn. Because nothing screams ridiculous like midgets and absurd obesity.
Anywise, I used my superior techniques of speed reading (of which you are completely ignorant and stupefied) to skim the all of the articles. I had read them a few times prior to enlisting to EvC so I am aware of "evidences" for macro evolution. Which I think is a bunch of fairy tales and that's how I would paraphrase it to someone who hadn't read it.
Here's a good creationist argument, your stupid. Oh wait,... that's already taken by you.
AND FOR THE LAST TIME READ THE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE ARE WAY OFF TOPIC!!! MOLBIOCHIK! WE NEED HELP!
That was also ... very ... strange.
Are you familiar with the term "word salad"?
If you wanted to read scientific literature ... you'd watch porn instead?
When I want to read scientific literature, I read scientific literature. That's 'cos I'm sane, and when I want to do a thing, I do it, instead of doing something completely different. It's this little habit that we non-mad people have.
If you've gained all your opinions of science by watching porn --- well, I guess that explains why you know damn all about science. On the other hand, your knowledge of porn must be quite extensive.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 200 of 216 (417280)
08-20-2007 2:06 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Rob
08-20-2007 1:13 AM


Re: I got it!
Yeah, facts. What do they prove, eh?
Exactly what I said in the other thread...
You don't need my help to make a fool of yourself, you're doing fine on your own.
You maintain that facts don't prove anything?
Carry on.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 210 of 216 (417328)
08-20-2007 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by Ihategod
08-20-2007 2:10 AM


Sex Magic?
Do you have any idea of the physics involved in sex magic?
You clearly are ignorant of science.
I am happy to report that I do indeed know nothing of this "sex magic" whereof you speak; and it is news to me that obscene dabblings in the occult constitute "science".
ME: 4.3 billion You: 0
Are we still talking about how much porn you've watched?

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