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Minnemooseus
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Message 1 of 17 (409557)
07-10-2007 5:36 AM


I'm attempting to reply to a pro-ID letter in the Duluth, Minnesota newspaper. Here is my first (rough!) draft. Suggestions? Remember, I want to keep this pretty short and concise.
In reply to the Dan Erickson letter printed in the July 8th edition:
The quality of intelligent design theory is thin at best.
Many intelligent design (ID) proponents do not state who the designer is. But the possibilities seem to come down to either God or extraterrestrial aliens. I must presume that Mr. Erickson is one of the former. The Raelians would be an example of the later.
ID proponents range from young Earth creationists (YECs) to varieties of old Earth evolutionists. My experience, from on-line debates, is that YECs will grasp at any concept that seems to go against the hated concept of evolution, regardless of how contrary to YECism it may be.
Michael Behe, PhD in biochemistry and professor of biochemistry at Lehigh University, is an example of the evolutionist variety of IDer. He is on record as accepting the ancient (4.45 billion year) age of the Earth, the bulk of the theory of evolution (ToE), and that humans and the great apes share a common ancestor. He, in my opinion, is the one who has forwarded the most coherent biological argument for ID. But that argument is but one of “God of the gaps”. That is, there are allegedly details in evolution that evolutionary theory can not adequately explain, which requires the input of a designer. In other words, the designer has to some degree influenced the pathways of evolution.
Mr. Erickson notes that “A Harris poll done in 2005 found that 64 percent of American adults (and about half of those who are college graduates) agree that ”human beings were created directly by God.’” Sorry, but scientific study of “the creation” strongly indicates that those people are wrong.
References/further reading:
The Discovery Institute
Discovery Institute - Wikipedia
Michael Behe -
Michael Behe - Wikipedia
The Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District case -
Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District - Wikipedia
The Of Pandas and People book:
Of Pandas and People - Wikipedia
Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 11 of 17 (409682)
07-10-2007 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by New Cat's Eye
07-10-2007 9:52 AM


The letter I'm replying to
I was unable to find the letter online. I also have not seen the letter it was replying to. The following is the letter as reproduced for the paper version:
Elvis analogy unsuited to intelligent design theory
The June 21 letter, “Intelligent design shouldn’t go near the science column,” implied that those who advocate for intelligent design are on an intellectual par with folks who claim to have sighted Elvis Presley. Yet the writer ignored the facts that no proponent of intelligent design believes in a “flat, geocentric world” and that only a small minority of intelligent design advocates are “young Earth creationists.” It’s also obvious that the writer’s Elvis-sighting analogy carried no weight. A Harris poll done in 2005 found that 64 percent of American adults (and about half of those who are college graduates) agreed with the statement that “human beings were created directly by God”. There are hundreds of scientists with earned PhD degrees who opt for intelligent design over neo-Darwinism.
What if the majority of Americans believed Elvis was still alive and even 10 police detective testified that the evidence convinced them that this was the case? No, it would not mean Elvis was really alive, but it would require those who disagreed with this claim to respond, not with mockery, but with rational argument.
In the same way, intelligent design cannot be dismissed by ridicule. Nor is it adequate to simply claim that intelligent design is no scientific because in considers more than a naturalistic explanation of origins. Intellectual honesty requires folks on both sides of this debate to acknowledge that very intelligent people disagree with them. The discussion should then continue with an effort to honestly weigh the evidence and discover the truth. This means refusing to make “a priori” assumptions which rule out certain conclusions, even supernatural ones.
Dan Erickson
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Minnemooseus
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Message 17 of 17 (414951)
08-07-2007 5:22 AM


Any letter is in stalled mode
Maybe someday I'll send something in. I don't follow that newspaper real closely, so I don't know if anyone else has replied.
I have just encountered an interesting article, via The Panda's Thumb. It is Discovery Institute tries to "swift-boat" Judge Jones at ncseweb.org.
One thing I now note, is that Mr. Erickson sure seems to imply that he is coming from a YEC perspective (see his letter in message 11). Certainly he's some sort of admitted creationist.
Moose

  
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