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Message 31 of 32 (415935)
08-12-2007 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Hyroglyphx
08-12-2007 11:09 PM

Re: Blowhard's
There are many people like Mother Theresa.

If Mother Theresa is the best you can do you're still making my point for me. Set against the evils of the KKK - and every other example of religion giving people an excuse to be assholes - she's a drop in the bucket.

Honestly religion gives people an excuse to be bad far, far more often than it inspires them to be good. It's a net negative.

The fact that someone like herself can be so totally opposite of the KKK, and both call themselves Christian, means that someone has a great misunderstanding of the religion.

Perhaps, but maybe it's Mother Theresa who misunderstands. For all you know, the better people are - the more charitable, forgiving, community-oriented - the worse they're living up to the obligations of their religion. The higher divorce rate in the ultra-religious South might support that.

I'm just saying. But you're still not dealing with my basic point. You can't say that people are "misusing" religion when all that religion is is how people are using it. Do you understand yet? There's nothing in religion that exists beyond what humans are doing with it. In a world where all humans were gone, a gun might still exist. It's a thing.

Religion is an activity. In the world with no humans, there's no religion, either.

The Blind Watchmaker is a refutation against design, which according to you, is just some sly way to further religious dogma.

I think you're thinking of someone else. Try to resist the temptation to consider all of us over here on the other side to be just one mega-person.

I gave three books and several documentaries and essays.

You're not paying attention, so let's recap. You gave one book that was actually about religion. You gave 5 essays; the four that were about religion were all written in 1998 or after. You gave two documentaries, one that just came out last year, and the other Dawkins isn't even in.

That's not evidence for a "decades-long obsession." How could it be?

We're all aware of it, including all the staunch atheists on the board. Why are you the only one pretending like it doesn't exist?

I'm not denying it. I'm just saying that wholesale rejection of religion is kind of a new thing for him, at least in his public writing.

I'm also saying you have no idea how to substantiate assertions with evidence. You keep proving it.

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Message 32 of 32 (416063)
08-13-2007 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Phat
08-06-2007 11:39 AM

Re: One Phats Opinion
Its interesting that Sir. Richard talks of a "shifting zeitgeist" and that there is something in the air that changes. He is referring to a current of human awareness, of course...but the term zeitgeist means, literally...

n. - Zeitgeist -- (the spirit of the time; the spirit characteristic of an age or generation)

Interesting indeed!

Eph 2:2 - Show Context
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.

2Co 4:4 - Show Context
The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

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