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bluegenes
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Message 200 of 270 (416385)
08-15-2007 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 184 by Rob
08-14-2007 10:21 PM


Rob writes:
Of course I know reality... I exist in Him.
If your God is another word for "reality", why do you need two words for the same thing? And why do you need to pray to reality? Why should reality care whether you pray to it or not?
Rob writes:
So if there is no God, then how could you know that I don't know Him? How could you know that I don't know Him, since you would have to know God in order to know that?
Was that meant to be funny?
If there is no God, how can you know that the person you're addressing doesn't know that there is no God to know, and therefore know, logically, that you cannot know a non-existent entity? You cannot know that he does not know that you do not know God. He could've had real special information from the seven magic wizards and witches who really created the universe, and you could just be suffering from a common cultural delusion that the universe was created by a fairly ridiculous mythological God invented by a primitive middle-eastern tribe, for all you know.

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bluegenes
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Message 214 of 270 (416433)
08-15-2007 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by Rob
08-15-2007 3:39 PM


Rob writes:
One of the definitions of God, is reality.
You are also confusing the pantheistic concept of reality with the Judeo-Christian. God (reality) is living in the Christian sense, not some impersonal absolute.
God (reality in the Judeo-Christian sense) created life on earth, according to your religion. So am I correct in suggesting that you believe that life, then, was created by reality, but is not part of it?
I ask because you seem to believe that life was designed by a designer, but that your God (reality) was not. This must mean that biological life cannot be part of your God (your undesigned reality).
(This is rather off topic, I realise, but I didn't know that there were Christians who believed that life was not part of reality, so I thought that the point was too interesting to ignore).
Edited by bluegenes, : corrected phrase

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bluegenes
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Message 222 of 270 (416459)
08-15-2007 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Rob
08-15-2007 7:27 PM


Rob writes:
Well then you never understood Christianity. That's the whole point of Christianity. That reality/God (a being, not a concept), created a world that was perfect like Him. And then one of his creatures in particular decided to try a different way of doing things at the suggestion of yet another.
We, in effect, became partially seperated from reality.
Fascinating! You're right to say that I never understood Christianity if your view of it is correct. I had no idea that our species being partially separated from reality was one of its doctrines. Presumably this also applies to snakes? Whereas other animals, plants and anything else around us, are still fully part of reality.
It must be a strange feeling for Christians, being partially unreal.
Yet isn't all life, in your opinion, intelligently designed? And isn't your reality, your God, definitely not intelligently designed? Wouldn't that mean that all life was completely divorced from reality, anyway, even before our ancestors mistakenly ate from the tree of knowledge?
The Deists, presumably, just have their God creating reality. That seems a lot more straightforward to me. I'm not a Deist, but at least, in their view, I'm entirely real. And for them, presumably, knowledge is perfectly O.K., even a good thing.

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