Faith and belief

There is scientific investigation on the human power of intention and manifestation. Experiments are being undertaken to prove we create from an unseen energy that we as humans have within the consciousness. It is possible that we create all experiences in life including relationships, jobs, good luck, bad luck, everything. Many now believe (myself included) that this is true.
There is a strong belief also in The Law of Attraction which is basically the same, as there is cause and effect from within. As a whole this clearly points to faith and belief in ourselves and god(universe).There are numerous referrals to this evidence in 'what the bleep' and follow up aticles in 'the Global Intellinger' magazine.
If this is true, and appears to be so, is that there has been a huge amount of 'faith and belief' in a god\creator and therefore must manifest in the human experience. How would this faith and belief manifest and how would it appear in the human experience?

The discovery of 'law of attraction' and 'intention and manifestation' have opened doors to a previously unknown enrgy force. In physical terms it is similar to electricty. It has always been there but humanity have to reach a certain point of consciousness before these unseeable energies come into being.
These new 'human' energy forces are coming into being. There are many testimonies of manifestations through focus and intention. The manifestations are usually in a physical form, e.g. new car, house, job, partner, health etc. but these are just the ones we are aware of. These are things we are mindful of but there are a lot of experiences inbetween that we are not mindful of. We don't look for a manifestation in other areas during these inbetween times.
If our thoughts and beliefs and intentions and imaginings manifest some things in our lives then we must manifest 'everything' in our lives that we think, believe, intend and imagine no matter how small or seemingly insignificant. It either must work all the time or it cannot work at all.
As with electricity 'human' energy has always been there but now we are reaching a level of consciousness that we have never before reached. Never before have we been able to connect with everyone around the globe as we do now. Never before have we had the technology, communication and information that we have now. This 'Human'energy is being shared and connected in a way we have never known before. This human energy that manifests is sponsored by beliefs and behind those beliefs is a certain amount of faith that those beliefs are true.
Baring this in mind, the human race around the globe has had, and still have beliefs and faith in a god of such magnitude that god must manifest in a form we can recognise.
My question is not if god will manifest but how?

Hi Sidelined, What experiement do you have in mind? I don't believe human energy can be measured in the same way as electricity and it's a good job as they'd find a way to make money out of us. It would make more money than bottled water. Gee I wish I had thought of that ha ha. However, we can measure results from harnessing and focussing the energy for a desired result.
In 'what the bleep' it explains an experiment of human energy on water. Under strict controls, pure tap water was focussed upon and blessed by humans who were well practised in meditation. Their human energy was mindfully intent on the water which was then frozen.
The comparison of unadulterated water crystals against those adulterated crystals was astonishing. There was clear evidence of cause and effect from the human consciousness. There are ongoing experiements in this field and many many more incidents that connect us with creation.
It is a very personal energy that only the individual would recognize and believe as true. Being mindful of self, thoughts and beliefs whilst being aware of life experiences will present your own creation to you. We could call it synchronicity in awareness of cause, effect and consequence. This is the most fundamental basic law that never changes. In every incident there is cause, effect and consequence. We are now recognizing and taking rsponsibility for being the cause.
I believe what we are seeing is the tip of the iceberg and the most intense, focussed upon, thought about, and talked about is a god. The collective human energy on the subject of god at any one time is so immense, that a form of god or god form must manifest if it has not already. The question uppermost in my mind, in view of the mounting evidence for a human creative force, is how will god manifest?

Good questions Rob. Can you answer them. There is one I will answer and it is the truth and only the truth I am searching for. I know it is the truth because some of the truths I have discovered have been so harsh and so difficult to accept. I don't settle for truths that make me feel good or right or smug. I internalize the question into my personal experiences and come pretty close to fully grasping the concept, whatever that may be.
Your final statement of finding something it must have already existed is quite true. Electricity was not created by us but discovered. However, it is also possible to create anew from already existing energy.

hi dr. adequate, the experiments are in quantum physics and illustrated much better in 'what the bleep' (amongst others) than I can. However, basically the law of attraction states that whatever you focus upon will manifest in a life experience in some form. It is said that what you fear attracts that which you are afraid of. For example if the fear is of developing cancer, then cancer is what you will get. I do believe it is not as simple as that but it is the general idea.

You will have to do your own homework I'm afraid. I have done mine and it is a step by step process. It would take too much of my energy and I might want to charge for it. ha ha

O K. we can paint any picture to suit our argument and I would do so if I was having one. It isn't my intention to prove or disprove the claims made in this field. This kind of evidence will always be seen from different perspectives and I did not want to use it in the first place because of this very reason of disputability.
However, through my own life experiences, in the past and present, I have proved to myself that faith and belief do create our existence and so the results claimed from the experiments with water are more than possible.
We are a fickle bunch always needing proof, but I do. I am not capable of blind faith. I have to have tangible results but those results are nothing like I expected. I have shifted my focus from expectation, to the truth. The truth of our humanity. The truth of life and it ain't pretty. Look into any faith and belief sysyem and the effects of that system are manifesting into a general life experience. Faith and belief are powerful energies that can be seen and experienced in every moment. We don't need experiments as there is no substitute for experience.

Yeh, it's a load of bullshit, isn't it? That's what you get in a material world. I'm alright Jack is a new commandment. ha ha. No offense intended. Belief and faith are not material goods but a spiritual energy that can and does manifest in many forms. Beliefs and faith create murder as well as a nice house. The topic is how all this faith and belief in god, the one and only god could and must manifest in a recognisable form?

Wow Jaderis, a ton of bricks this time. You seem a little angry but don't let it close your mind. Many beliefs block the path to truth. We cannot speak too literally on this subject, we have to speak metaphorically in physical language. It is difficult to communicate on the same level.
I could justify myself and argue points but truly I agree with you on many things you say. However, I will just say that I am not advocating on behalf of any group or religion. The ideas and concepts are mine. The similarities are coincidental. I used examples of evidence because admin asked me to.
Of course the human creative energy is far more complicated than just changing the mind. We would be in a worse mess than we are now if that was the case. We create from our whole consciousness including the subconscious and emotions\passion\desires\fears. We become hard-wired into a way of thinking and blinkered to anything outside of our personal expereince. We become a product of the faith and belief system that we have experienced from childhood.
If these beliefs are changed, then so is the experience. For example, in relationships a woman may choose a partner who beats her because her belief is that she deserves to be beaten. Once that belief changes to, I do not deserve this, then doors will open and life will return her newly created belief. Both beliefs were true to her and worked equally.
This is mindful energy not creating huge miracles but life changing beliefs about self and the world that most certainly manifest in the human experience. So where's this god at then ?

I have already validated my claims to me and have attemtpted to communicate them throughout my posts. You see, whatever i come up with for you, your perception will change the meaning to fit your understanding. I find if you really want to know then the best way is in the value of your own work. Seek in your own way to prove it or disprove it but if you wish a simple answer, then a simple, specific question is required.

Hmm.... I think you are saying that the observer in every case will manipulate the photon by the action of observing from their perception. That the photon becomes whatever the observer's mind can conceive or understand from previous experiences.
I get that. Nothing is unaffected by the observer and the observer is pre-programmed to accept information their way. This is looking at the phenomena from an observer's view point.
Let's look at it from the photon's point of view. How do we know that the photon is not changing into what the photon wants the observer to see? What if the photon has a consciousness that views the observer's consciousness before the observer and knowingly creates an experience for the observer, from the observer. This would bring it full circle to indicate a process of creation that we certainly play a part in.

I know how you feel and I was just like you nit picking and throwing words around. My mother died of cancer and no way did she think about it or focus on it but I can tell you what she really believed. She believed she was a sinner and god punished her. She had believed this since childhood and she died believing it.
I try to give simple examples not to be taken so literally but just to make a point. Using physical examples and physical language is meant to be taken metaphorically as we are discussing faith and belief that are connected to physical reality but not so cut and dried. Faith and belief are fundamentally behind all our life experiences and life being life, it doesn't always show up as we would like. That doesn't mean we are thinking wrong or believing wrong but that our beliefs and faith are manifesting in our experience. The manifestation maybe the more subtle forms of humanity such as compassion or integrity. We aren't born with these. Our experiences creates them. All these states of being come from spiritual growth and will obviously clash with what we have in mind for ourselves.
The spiritual growth comes from discomfort which everyone wishes to avoid. This is the reason or cause of manifesting the undesireables. I believe if my mother had not believed she was a sinner and being punished by god then she would not have developed cancer. Beliefs and faith, whether true or false, whether in awareness or not, have the power to create our life experiences.

Hmm...Rob, you have an awful lot to say and I see how passionate you are. I really expected to be discussing this human energy with the converted as I am neither scientist or theologist, but I have expertise in life. I have observed and questioned and experienced to reach my conclusions. In my search for the truth of us I haven't found one group, one religion or one phylosophy that I could truly believe in or follow. I not only feel uncomfortable with the concepts, I react badly to exclusivity, but there is always some truth, that's why they survive.
However, I can no more accept bible quotations than I can scientology doctrine or the oneness movement phylosophy or ramths's teachings on face value. I try to steer clear of quotations from others perspectives, even Jesus. I'm more interested in what you believe and why you believe. I study a person and life from the inside out as opposed to most who see life from the outside in. I see this is the problem I have to overcome to get my points across.
Even in this last post I can see you hold beliefs that deny your humanity and I am not about to debate these beliefs because there would be no end to it. To find some common ground in our beliefs systems is nigh impossible because you are all the observers of life. Which brings me round to observing the photons.
My interpretation that maybe the photon is the creator and not the observer seems to have sent you on the defensive and I do see why as explained above. However, I do not see the observer and the photon as separate entities. They are connected. I do not see not see the photon as some god that plays us as puppets. In human terms we are both the photon and the observer, always there, representing the two aspects of humanity. The physical and the spiritual. One inner and one outer working simultaneously to produce life as we know it.
The spiritual age is upon us. I have experienced quite a few eras and there has been nothing like it before, causing much angst and confusion. We have to keep our eye on the ball and it is our potential as a human race that is emerging. This potential within us all manifests through faith and beliefs, of that I have no doubt. The most concentrated belief system is the one surrounding god. So will god manifest or are we messing it up with all the contraversy and disagreements?

Why don't you ask about something I have said rather than what I haven't?

thanks for your observations. I really didn't intend to prove anything but rather to suggest that in view of mounting evidence that there is more to us than we have previously known. I am not into debating whether or not we have a creative power because my life experiences and self awareness tells me it is so.
I haven't reached this conclusion by watching the bleep and believing everything I am told. On the contrary, I have and I do challenge everything especially the bible interpretations. The bible in my mind is the worst offender in our society that leads us up the garden path.
Reading your post as a whole, your belief system is sticking out like a sore thumb. Tell me this belief system of yours doesn't create your perception of the world and yourself. Your perception becomes true through and because of, your faith and beliefs.
Within anyone's faith and belief system there is a physical manifestation and a spiritual manifestation. I have to speak of the physical because others can relate to it. However, it is rarely completely satisfactory, if ever. There are too many variables and perceptions in the physical.
On the other hand, the spiritual manifestation is the unseen, unmeasurable inner changes to our mentality, our understanding, our consciousness and beliefs. These are changing and creating new ways of being. The human spirit develops integrity, compassion, empathy, emotional maturity, wisdom, humility etc all created through the human experience, and not from wishing and hoping or focus. These are genuine manifestations that we can prove. These spiritual manifestations form new beliefs, new experiences and the process continues.
There are many new beliefs about god that is changing the face of religion. The humanity attributed to god is falling away so I wonder how these new beliefs connected to old beliefs will affect(manifest) the human experience?