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anastasia
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Message 106 of 304 (417676)
08-23-2007 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by molbiogirl
08-23-2007 7:30 PM


Re: Homeopathy
molbiogirl writes:
Homeopathy is bunk.
Sorry, I meant to say naturopathy, primarily herbals.

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mike the wiz
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Message 107 of 304 (417677)
08-23-2007 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by nator
08-23-2007 6:24 PM


Re: Treat the CAUSE?
Clearly, being a believer makes you a really dishonest debator
Maybe religo-mike took over me for a moment.
I admitt you don't actually argue that, but it was an effective bait.
My point really, is that those of the Godless ilk, would prefer sin-then-fix-freedom. I think God teaches the
ways to avoid bad things that works effectively.
There are so many worldy poisons that the Godless are hooked on. Cancer causing fags for example.
What is your opinion? That preventing the cause is a better idea, or dealing with effects?

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molbiogirl
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Message 108 of 304 (417683)
08-23-2007 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by anastasia
08-23-2007 7:54 PM


Re: Homeopathy
Sorry, I meant to say naturopathy, primarily herbals.
Naturopathy, sometimes referred to as "natural medicine," is a largely pseudoscientific approach said to "assist nature" [1], "support the body's own innate capacity to achieve optimal health" [2], and "facilitate the body's inherent healing mechanisms." [3] Naturopaths assert that diseases are the body's effort to purify itself, and that cures result from increasing the patient's "vital force." They claim to stimulate the body's natural healing processes by ridding it of waste products and "toxins." At first glance, this approach may appear sensible. However, a close look will show that naturopathy's philosophy is simplistic and that its practices are riddled with quackery.
Naturopaths offer treatment at their offices and at spas where patients may reside for several weeks. Their offerings include fasting, "natural food" diets, vitamins, herbs, tissue minerals, homeopathic remedies, cell salts, manipulation, massage, exercise, colonic enemas, acupuncture, Chinese medicine, natural childbirth, minor surgery, and applications of water, heat, cold, air, sunlight, and electricity. Radiation may be used for diagnosis, but not for treatment. Many of these methods are said to "detoxify" the body.
http://quackwatch.org/...Topics/Naturopathy/naturopathy.html
More misinformation about the safety and efficacy of herbs is reaching the public currently than at any previous time, including the turn-of-the-century heyday of patent medicines ... Practically all writing (about herbs) recommend large numbers of herbs for treatment based on hearsay, folklore, and tradition. The only criterion that seems to be avoided in these publications is scientific evidence ... Even deadly poisonous herbs are sometimes touted as remedies, based on some outdated report or a misunderstanding of the facts. Particularly insidious is the myth that there is something almost magical about herbal drugs that prevents them, in their natural state, from harming people.
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/herbs.html
And, as I pointed out upthread, herbal "remedies" are not only ineffective, they can, and do, cause serious injury and death.

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nator
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Message 109 of 304 (417686)
08-23-2007 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by mike the wiz
08-23-2007 7:38 PM


mike's retreat into sophistry
Mike, it must be nice to be able to do the mental gymnastics neccessary to enjoy all the benefits of science and technology, and at the same time insist that we really don't have any idea whasoever if smallpox hadn't wiped out humanity due to the power of prayer.
What an intellectually bankrupt stance you have chosen.
If you weant to believe that God saved some people, but not those 600 million, then fine, believe it, but your belief doesn't equal truth or reality. That is not the point of this discussion.
The point of this discussion is the fact that the holistic practitioner riverrat went to is a quack who blamed him for his lack of success becasue he didn't have enough faith that the herbs she prescribed him would work.

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purpledawn
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Message 110 of 304 (417687)
08-23-2007 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by nator
08-23-2007 5:57 PM


Re: Not a Contest
quote:
Sure, but proper nutrition isn't seperate from conventional medicine at all. In fact, the reason we know the "how and why" of antioxidants' healthful properties is through careful scientific study.
Proper nutrition is natural not a drug.
An MD can say eat properly, but what does that mean. Yes, they have put out pyramids, etc.; but what is proper nutrition for me? What is proper nutrition for someone going through menopause or chemo, etc.
Eat whole wheat bread, but which whole wheat bread is actually good or us?
When my gums were bleeding, I went to the MD and they didn't know why they were bleeding. Blood tests revealed nothing. You say you thought of a nutrition problem when I mentioned this before.
No matter how much is based on science, we are still at the mercy of what a doctor has experienced. My MD had not had experience with this problem. Neither had my dentist or the nutritionist. The nutritionist said my diet was fine. Ultimately I had to figure it out myself (didn't have an ND yet) through reading naturopathic based books. I wasn't getting enough vitamin C.
When I went to the Emergency room with severe abdominal pain, the MD that saw me had not had experience with tubal pregnancies. His lack of experience almost cost me my life a week later.
My husband's cornea is shaped odd, but his eye doctor didn't have experience with that type of problem. Instead of telling him that and sending him to someone who did have experience, he kept trying to fit my husband with contacts. He could see OK, but not as good as he should have. That doctor retired and the other doctors in the group sent my husband to a specialist with experience in his problem. He can see normally now.
My husband has high blood pressure. They don't do any tests to see which drug will work. They try one and if it works, great, if not, then on to the next drug, etc. Same with depression drugs.
Please don't lump all alternatives in one quack box. There are quacks, just as there are MD's who are quacks or incompetent. There are also naturopatic doctors who have clinical experience and can and have helped people get healthier.
People get cancer and even though proven techniques are used, some get better and some die.
Each has their function. Keeping humans in working order isn't a perfect science.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 111 of 304 (417688)
08-23-2007 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by mike the wiz
08-23-2007 7:57 PM


Re: Treat the CAUSE?
quote:
I think God teaches the ways to avoid bad things that works effectively.
That's nice.
Are you saying that you have the authoritative word on the Word of God?
quote:
My point really, is that those of the Godless ilk, would prefer sin-then-fix-freedom.
And I think you are pulling this assesment out of your ass.
quote:
There are so many worldy poisons that the Godless are hooked on. Cancer causing fags for example.
Yeah, people should just consume the poisons that Jesus did, like wine.
Alcoholic beverages have never been known to hurt anybody, right?
quote:
What is your opinion? That preventing the cause is a better idea, or dealing with effects?
Of course, prevention is always best, but that is not always possible, so we need to develop ways to deal with effects, too.
Edited by nator, : No reason given.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 112 of 304 (417698)
08-23-2007 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by purpledawn
08-23-2007 8:41 PM


Re: Not a Contest
Sure, but proper nutrition isn't seperate from conventional medicine at all. In fact, the reason we know the "how and why" of antioxidants' healthful properties is through careful scientific study.
quote:
Proper nutrition is natural not a drug.
Conventional medicine isn't solely about drugs.
And something can be natural and also a drug.
quote:
An MD can say eat properly, but what does that mean. Yes, they have put out pyramids, etc.; but what is proper nutrition for me? What is proper nutrition for someone going through menopause or chemo, etc.
Consult a nutritionist. There are nutritional specialists for both oncology and women's nutrition.
quote:
No matter how much is based on science, we are still at the mercy of what a doctor has experienced. My MD had not had experience with this problem. Neither had my dentist or the nutritionist. The nutritionist said my diet was fine. Ultimately I had to figure it out myself (didn't have an ND yet) through reading naturopathic based books. I wasn't getting enough vitamin C.
I would say, then, that you had a bad nutritionist.
Insead of reading naturopathic (unscientific) books, you could have read science-based books on nutrition, or even done a google search.
I just did one on "Bleeding Gums" and the very first informational link was a National Institutes of Health Medical Encyclopedia that listed scurvy (vitamin C deficiency) as a major cause of bleeding gums. There's also a list of questions that the healthcare provider should ask. See more here
quote:
Please don't lump all alternatives in one quack box. There are quacks, just as there are MD's who are quacks or incompetent. There are also naturopatic doctors who have clinical experience and can and have helped people get healthier.
I don't lump all "alternatives" into one quack box.
I only consider something pseudoscientific or a "quack" practice if it isn't based upon good scientific evidence.
And regarding competence, there is a HELL of a lot more professional oversight and consumer protections of the conventional medical profession compared to the "alternative" and "natural healer"-type people.
There are competency and ethics review boards that can take away licences of incompetant and unethical MD's. The academic rigors of University and medical school are well-known.
Implying that there are a similar percentage of incompetent or quack MD's out of all MD's as there are incompetent or quack "natural healers" out of all "natural healers" is just unsupportable.
There are not anywhere near the same oversights and legal consumer protections for these "natural healers".
I am well-aware of the general limitations of the medical field, and that the individuals that comprise it are not universally competant and brilliant.
I don't think, however, that the answer is to abandon reason, science, and evidence in favor of less-rigorous methods or pseudoscience.
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Message 113 of 304 (417741)
08-23-2007 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by purpledawn
08-23-2007 8:41 PM


Re: Gum Health
PD writes:
When my gums were bleeding, I went to the MD and they didn't know why they were bleeding. Blood tests revealed nothing. You say you thought of a nutrition problem when I mentioned this before.
Hi PD. I can't document what wifie and I do to keep our gums healthy and maintain a full mouth of most of the teeth we've had for about 70 years but I can tell you what works for us. We both had a bad start in life healthwise nutritionally speaking but over the years as the science of nutritional wholistic health advances we continue to fine tune our suppliment and diet program.
My wife takes notes from Deborah Ray's excellent one hour Healthy Talk program weekdays which we get on the radio and via Dominion Network's Sky Angel satellite we get on a separate dish on the roof we get other health programs from which we glean info. We also have books. One thing we have come to learn is that this is a science that is not easily explained except to say if one decides to learn it there's a lot of info out there. The reason it's so complicated is that our bodies are so complex and wonderfully created.
I know there's critics out there badmouthing Dr. Lorrain Day's approach but if one cares to follow here regime of simply eating a lot of raw organically grown fruits and vegies supplemented by nothing but juices extracted from these, the science of it all becomes very minimal so far as the need to know how to make it work. She says she uses no packaged health care products. It just works because that's the way God designed the food derived from the plants to work. One can delve into the science ofwhy it works, and may be able to make a more wise choice of which plant products work best for what. One can enhance their diet by leaning towards such a diet without being so strict. Dr. Day has a website which can be googled. You'll find pros and cons on the account of her own experience with cancer. I tend to think that perhaps some criticism of her was warranted but her critics throw out the baby with the bath water, not allowing her regime for any of the credit for her own healing.
We eat a lot of raw but also some fish, chicken an occasionally other meats. We eat lots of avacadoes, seeds and nuts et al.
We also use a number of food suppliments. I'm going to tell you which vitamins and minerals our research has found to be beneficial for gum disease as well as things which we avoid to keep our teeth and gums healthy. We are not in the wholistic healing business and have no vested interest in any company but we have found several companies which we have chosen because of the high standard they work on and we've been well satisfied with the quality of their products. One is Bio Active Nutrients (our main source of most of our vits and minerals). Another is Maximum Living. There's also Essential Formulas which markets Dr. O'Hhira's pro-biotics which is expensive. We get them cheaper from "i-herb" Garden of Life products are excellent also. They have an excellent green drink (a wonderful all in one health drink) which would be very good for gums and they have an Excellent top of the line cod liver oil which is high potency fish liver oil with no mercury, being derived from the northern seas. Dr. O'Hhira is from Japan.
1. A high quality vitamin/mineral complex having as much magnesium as calcium in it as well as the trace minerals like zinc and chromium. (to make you shine) Minerals needful for healthy teeth, gums and overall health and which are very deficient in the average American diet.
2. Extra Vita C containing the flavinoids).
3. Lots of high grade green tea (not before bedtime) We use Celestial Seasoning's teas, available in stores.
4. I see on the web that silica is good for gums but not alone. Alvita produces a horsetail grass tea having silica in it.
5. High grade fish liver oil excellent source of Vit D needul for gum health. The one I meantioned we use has pepermint in it which makes it more palatible.
6. COQ10 known for blood circulation via blood vessel health would likely be benefical to enhance circulation to the gums.
7. NO SUGAR product of any kind. We use xylitol or stevia which I call 'sinless sweetener.'
8. Avoid sticky foods that stick to the teeth & gums.
Of course, we give all of the above credit for augmenting our wholistic approach to good health for the entire body. You treat the gums and the side effects are all good. You treat arthritis the natural way and the side effects are likely to be healther gums, heart & every system in the body enhanced.
Eat whole wheat bread, but which whole wheat bread is actually good or us?
We use no whole wheat bread except that which is organic sprouted grain bread. Many so called breads have tricky labels which allow them to call it 'whole wheat' but if the first ingredient in the list is 'wheat flour' it's likely white flour darkened some by whole wheat and possibly coloring or molasses, et al. The wheat gluten seems to bother me but not in the sprouted organic that we use.
PD writes:
No matter how much is based on science, we are still at the mercy of what a doctor has experienced. My MD had not had experience with this problem. Neither had my dentist or the nutritionist. The nutritionist said my diet was fine. Ultimately I had to figure it out myself (didn't have an ND yet) through reading naturopathic based books. I wasn't getting enough vitamin C.
I fully agree. Keep up the good work and if hubby isn't on the band wagon work to get him aboard and he should improve as well. Keep on keeping on figuring it out yourself. Even many of the alternative folks contradict one another so you have to sort it all out as to what makes science sense to you.
We likely spend somewhere between a hundred fifty to two hundred a month on suppliments, but hey, most folks spend a lot more than that for an insurance program or ciggies, pop, ice cream, et al and if one has to pay for the pharms or doc visits, likely a whole lot more.
Folks put the best stuff in the car engine & tranny et al. If they treated the engines (replaceable) as they treated the precious body (irreplaceable) with all of it's intricate functions, they'd be putting used deep fry oil in the crank case and think it would still run. Then they'd take it to a ripoff $$$garage who'd drain the deep fry oil along with the crank shaft filings , patch up the scored crank shaft with new bearing caps, hand them the huge $$$ bill and send them on their way. Back in the early 60s I bought a cool Studebaker Skyhawk beauty and headed out for Wyo to see my parents from upstate NY. Somewhere in Neb she began knocking. We made it to my dad's ranch where we took the Ford Jubilee tractor lift & hoisted her up. I dropped the pan and removed the bearing caps to find that I'd been ripped off big time by a big new car dealer in Buffalo. Imo, that a pretty analogous to what conventional medicine, and admittedly some of the less scrupulous and poorly informed alternative practitioners are doing, especially in the US, is doing only on a much larger scale.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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anastasia
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From: Bucks County, PA
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Message 114 of 304 (417743)
08-23-2007 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by molbiogirl
08-23-2007 8:20 PM


Re: Homeopathy
molbiogirl writes:
And, as I pointed out upthread, herbal "remedies" are not only ineffective, they can, and do, cause serious injury and death.
I don't really get your point in pasting all this stuff. I gave riverrat my two cents, you had already provided yours. I recall mentioning that I don't trust any of these things as rememdies, that there are health risks, and that I merely believe in achieving optimal health via tried and true methods.

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molbiogirl
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From: MO
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Message 115 of 304 (417744)
08-23-2007 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Buzsaw
08-23-2007 11:20 PM


Re: Gum Health
I know there's critics out there badmouthing Dr. Lorrain Day's approach ...
Just a snippet from this woomeister's site:
AIDS is, indeed, curable ...
She also claims ...
[1] Her videotapes state that standard cancer treatment has never cured anyone and that nobody should undergo chemotherapy and radiation for any cancer [2]. She claims that (a) all cancers are essentially the same; (b) the basic cause is weakness of the immune system; and (c) her diet-centered program cures people by strengthening their immune system [2]. She states that, "All diseases are caused by a combination of three factors: malnutrition, dehydration, and stress." [3] She tells people that, "Drugs never cure disease; they only change the form and location of the disease." [4] She claims that "sugar is as addictive as cocaine" and paralyzes the immune system for four hours" after eating it [4]. She claims that "osteoporosis is not caused by lack of calcium" and that "the more milk you drink, the more osteoporotic you become." [4] She spouts long lists of health problems that she claims are caused by commonly used foods and drugs [4]. She also advises against vaccination [5] and the use of standard treatment for Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder [6]. She speaks eloquently and from the heart, but her tapes contain hundreds of factual errors and far-fetched claims. In my opinion, her advice is untrustworthy and is particularly dangerous to people with cancer.
http://www.quackwatch.org/...ryRelatedTopics/Cancer/day.html
This woman is infamous.
She's also a conspiracy theorist extraordinaire.
Day's 10-tape audio series, "Conquering Confusion about your medical treatment," illustrates the expansive nature of her thinking. Throughout these tapes, she describes a conspiracy for world domination”with roots going back over 200 years”whose elements include the AIDS virus (created to reduce world population from 6 billion to 500 million); fluoridation; vaccination; pornography; gun control; food irradiation; chemotherapy; radiation treatments; bank centralization; junk food; the medical profession; television programming; computer games (used to program children); subliminal television messages; rock music (a basic "beat" was created to make young people "susceptible to drugs and sex"); the CIA; government-controlled food-management organizations; "the Illuminati" (who began working toward a new world order in 1776); the Rockefeller Foundation, the American Cancer Society; laser and DVD technology; television boxes (that can be used to spy on people) the Communist Manifesto (promoted by the U.S. Government); the news media (behind every story there is a plan controlled from a central source); rewriting of school textbooks; cover-up of the real killers of President John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Princess Diana, and Martin Luther King; "diabolic plans for your health care"; melting of the polar ice cap; and plans by National Aeronautic and Space Agency (NASA) to use rocket power to relocate the Earth further way from the Sun. To guard against these many alleged dangers, she advises everyone to stop watching commercial television (because after only a few minutes, watchers lose the ability to think rationally and resist the "lies" that permeate our society). She also states that cancer patients cannot get well if they work or watch television and that getting medical care and taking medication are a betrayal of God.
http://www.quackwatch.org/...ryRelatedTopics/Cancer/day.html

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anastasia
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Message 116 of 304 (417745)
08-23-2007 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by nator
08-23-2007 8:41 PM


Re: Treat the CAUSE?
nator in 'Vent Your Frustrations Here' writes:
Is wee Mikey claiming to have the last word on God's will these days?
nator here and now writes:
Are you saying that you have the authoritative word on the Word of God?
Why are you still falling for mikey's off topic, heretofore admitted tongue-in-cheek stuff?

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purpledawn
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Message 117 of 304 (417770)
08-24-2007 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by nator
08-23-2007 9:09 PM


Re: Not a Contest
You say consult a nutritionist, but then you say I got a bad nutritionist. Doctor recommends them, how does one tell a good one from a bad one?
Bleeding gums can be a sign of several problems.
Bleeding gums aren't always a result of dental neglect. Other causes may include an infection, vitamin deficiency, leukemia, brushing too vigorously, certain medications like blood thinners, ill-fitting dentures, or hormonal imbalances.
Why does it matter whether I found the answer from a naturopatic source or one you consider science? I came to the same conclusion.
quote:
There's also a list of questions that the healthcare provider should ask.
And they asked all those questions. They didn't come to any conclusion. (I know, bad dentist)
If you assume that because I found information in a naturopatic source that helped me find the answer that I didn't do any other checking, you'd be wrong.
quote:
There are competency and ethics review boards that can take away licences of incompetant and unethical MD's. The academic rigors of University and medical school are well-known.
Yes there are and there are still MD's that slip through the cracks.
Just as it took time for those practices to be put in place, it will take time for the same practices to be put in place for the alternative medicines. Yes people fight against it, just as I'm sure there were those who fought against the practices for the medical profession. Change takes time and unfortunately money plays a big part in how fast some things change.
Until that time we have to be careful when dealing with alternative health care; but then we still have to be careful even when dealing with traditional health care.
quote:
I don't think, however, that the answer is to abandon reason, science, and evidence in favor of less-rigorous methods or pseudoscience.
I haven't abandoned reason or science.
Just as there are good MD's and bad MD's, there are also good ND's and bad ND's.
Bottom line, I'm responsible for my health and I have to do what is right for me.

"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

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Message 118 of 304 (417771)
08-24-2007 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Buzsaw
08-23-2007 11:20 PM


Re: Gum Health
My gum issue was over two years ago. I'm pretty much where you are concerning food. My supplements come from Purity Products. I used the Garden of Life ones for awhile, but they are so expensive.
I like Ezekiel 4:9 sprouted grain breads. There is no sugar, oils, or flour used. I like the taste.
I do use stevia when making my own ketchup and salad dressing. I wanted to try it in pickling, but the drought didn't do well for the garden this year. Experiment for next year.
We've gone to grass fed beef and free range chickens and eggs.
Although we were on a low fat diet, we still have to readjust what we were eating and we did have to find a place close by where we could find good food. The biggest change was no sugar and no HFCS in the food. Also no preservatives.
My husband is on healthy eating bandwagon. His blood pressure has gotten better and he will be getting off the medication within the next year hopefully. He participates in triathelons, so he has the exercise part down.
We have both felt much better since we changed the way we eat and got away from processed foods.

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molbiogirl
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Message 119 of 304 (417783)
08-24-2007 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by anastasia
08-23-2007 11:36 PM


Re: Homeopathy
I don't really get your point in pasting all this stuff.
Combating pseudoscience is important.
... achieving optimal health via tried and true methods.
I don't know what you mean by "tried and true". Could you elaborate?
You seem like a responsible health care consumer ...
You say consult a nutritionist, but then you say I got a bad nutritionist. Doctor recommends them, how does one tell a good one from a bad one?
... so I'm surprised that you didn't immediately google "bleeding gums" and walk into your appointment with the MD/ND armed with a bunch of questions. I am also surprised you didn't research the MD/ND before your appointment(s). There are any number of sites that provide board certification, education and training, disciplinary actions, even "criminal convictions, exclusions from federal and state health-care programs, civil judgments (other than malpractice actions) related to health care, and other adjudicated actions or decisions" (Naturopathy: A Critical Analysis | Quackwatch).
Just as it took time for those practices to be put in place, it will take time for the same practices to be put in place for the alternative medicines.
It is extraordinarily unlikely that "those practices" (rigorous academic institutions, peer-review, etc.) will be put in place for naturopathy for the simple reason that naturopathy will not stand up under scientific scrutiny. After all, naturopathy asserts:
Naturopathy asserts that a "vital curative force" (which naturopaths confuse with what the Hippocratics called vis medicatrix naturae) flows through vaguely conceptualized channels akin to the "meridians" of TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine). Impedance, or "unbalancing" the flow of this force, can cause disease.
Naturopathy: A Critical Analysis | Quackwatch
In other words, naturopathy is based on gobbledygook.
"Alternative" medicine is a misnomer. If "alternative" medicine is tested under controlled scientific circumstances it will cease to be "alternative" and will simply become medicine. So "alternative" medicine either hasn't been tested or it has failed its tests.
For the most part, naturopathy employs "an array of scientifically implausible nostrums and gadgets" (http://www.naturowatch.net) ...
The list includes: "natural" herbs and nutritional supplements, biofeedback, relaxation techniques, acupuncture, cupping, and moxibustion (also borrowed from TCM) [3], massage, enemas ("high colonics"), water baths ("hydrotherapy"), heat treatments, aromatherapy, fasting ("cleansing"), hypnosis, reflexology, joint manipulation (e.g., "Rolfing"), "realignment" of the cranial bones, bioenegetics, breathwork, magnetic healing, homeopathic potions, therapeutic touch, faith healing, copper bracelets for arthritis, and various Ayurvedic and Native-American healing practices.
Naturopathy, to its credit, emphasizes "the benefits of a healthy lifestyle, the value of prevention, and the desirability of using the least intrusive intervention that will do the job" (Ibid.); however, they foster scientific illiteracy (of the worst sort!).

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Message 120 of 304 (417786)
08-24-2007 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by molbiogirl
08-24-2007 3:22 PM


Re: Homeopathy
molbiogirl writes:
I don't know what you mean by "tried and true". Could you elaborate?
Could you elaborate upon whom your post is addressed to? You seem to have me and PurpleDawn all lumped together.

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