Converting raw energy into biological energy

So far all you have done is offer incredulity.Do you have any problem when hydrogen and oxygen combine to form water?Or hydrocarbons?Or any other inorganic molecules?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Can I take this as an admission on your part that all of these processes HAVE taken place in the lab?

molbiogirl: What?Correct me if I am wrong... please...But wasn't Doddy specifically describing the theoretical making of these materials in a laboratory?

molbiogirl: You mean taking already formed biological machines and helping the process along with advanced technology and intelligent doctors?You bet molbiogirl. Be my guest!

No. He was not.Is it your position that ATP cannot be made in the lab without ATP synthase?Because, I assure you, that is not the case.Edited by molbiogirl, : No reason given.

No.This ... simple chemicals --> basic building blocks --> catalytic polymers + abiotic metabolism pre-RNA world --> RNA world --> DNA/protein world.The steps in yellow have been re created in the lab.

molbiogril: No... It is my position that ATP cannot be made in nature without ATP synthase; unless, there is a lab and an intelligent agent to guide the process.Edited by Rob, : No reason given.Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

molbiogirl: What yellow?

is not just the fact that he has nothing but incredulity, but that the more we learn the less unique things like DNA appear. The recent discovery of inorganic molecules that evolve, reproduce, split into duplicate mirrored images, recombine to form new components and do so in the vast areas of space, show that not only is a mechanism similar to DNA possible, but it is also possible to occur naturally and even be based on cycles other than carbon. It even forms the same helical structures that we see in DNA. Science Daily Article on inorganic dust with lifelike properties.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well, of course not. The conditions on earth are no longer the same as they were 3 bya.We know what the conditions were 3 bya. We re create them in the lab.So far, these steps toward RNA world have been completed:Limited polymerizationRNA ligasesRNA cappingRNA phosphorylationRNA cleavagePeptide bond formationAmide bond formation

molbiogirl: And the same postulated conditions produced all of these results? Or did it take huge differences in environment to produce different stages?

jar:I am asking questions. And you have no answers.That is why I ask them...

Yes. The same conditions resulted in the above. (And by environment, I assume you mean the in vitro conditions that resulted in polymerization, etc.)

That was an interesting article jar. Unfortunately we do not live in plasma. In fact, I think that is what killed Spock. What in the world does it have to do with ATP production by organic processes?You accuse me of palming the pea?Edited by Rob, : No reason given.

molbiogirl: Ok... sources please...