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nator
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Message 16 of 147 (419684)
09-04-2007 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Ihategod
09-03-2007 9:21 PM


What was that link to the YouTube video supposed to show? That it is pretty easy to make a good-looking fake?
Have a looksee at the comments underneath the video.
It is a commercial for the SciFi channel.
Here are some e-mail exchanges with the actress in the video where she explains that it is all CGI.
http://www.rense.com/general41/scihoax.htm
All of this took me about 5 minutes on google to find.
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Some of course have been around before the induction of the photoshop program.
Yes, and that video is not one of them.
There was also airbrushing before photoshop, and double exposures, and wires. You could do a lot to create such special effects in a photograph if you knew what you were doing.
Like I said, a number of the "best" photos from that website look like pictures of stuff thrown into the air.
Another thing you will also notice is how often the objects seem to be stuck onto the sides of buildings, or hanging off of a roof or tree. It is easy to use fishing line or even fine metal wire because it becomes invisible from even a short distance.
The truth is, it is trivial to fake many such photos, even without Photoshop.
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If it is flying saucers, that can move extremely fast as is documented ,
No such thing has been documented.
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then it would be logical to assume that those who can defy the laws of physics and gravity must be relatively intelligent.
Not really. It could be that they are born with such magical abilities. Like a toddler that, in his or her first steps, crushes several dozen ants unintentionally, they could be quite oblivious to their own power and not intelligent at all.
You are making unwarranted conclusions because you are starting with far too many "ifs" which are completely unsupported.

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Ihategod
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Message 17 of 147 (419759)
09-04-2007 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Jon
09-04-2007 1:19 AM


Re: Implausibility and Improbability
I highly doubt such things exist.
Well since you think so...
No evidence of alien spacecraft has yet stood up to the scrutiny required to allow us to scientifically declare them as real.
No one is going to call Jon, from the government, and give you all the details. It is a matter of national security. Look into the Roswell incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...Air_Force_reports_on_the_Roswell_UFO_incident
Also check this out:
NASA Photographs of Possible UFOs
The Best UFO Pictures Ever Taken, Page 10, Year-2007
The Best UFO Pictures Ever Taken, Page 9, Year-2006
The Best UFO Pictures Ever Taken, Page 8, Year-2005
I'm going to give you some quotes from my physics text book of last year (good thing I didn't sell it, yet), and hopefully it should help you understand the improbability of your argument:
You seem to think I care to hear opinions from folks you have probably never looked into the subject. Only speculated hypotheses from their world view humanistic ideology. Appealing to authority and popularity is a weak argument. My friend Tim says that aspartame is safe, his dad works for the FDA.
Yep, we've established that there are many planets with life in abundance, but we were only able to show that life to be single-cellular, which would make me wonder if it's really possible to judge the sinfulness of a bacterium. And you really haven't presented any convincing evidence to the contrary”either showing intelligent life, or showing God to care about bacteria.
Yep, you have established that your text book physics buddies like to think about aliens some times. The thing to note here is that you seem to believe they are some how right, because you seen them in uh textbook. They don't know squat about organisms on any planet and neither do you or I. I don't care how many PhD you have.
As for the reasons I've cited above, where are all these beings? Hell, if these creatures are immortal, then the short-lifetime hypothesis shouldn't have any meaning to their existence and they should've been here by now. Not just in the blips and dots that you talk of, but in an all out massive encounter. When the Europeans came across the Americas, they didn't keep showing up one ship at a time; they sent word back and their relatives came in massive numbers. Of all the useless rocks in the area, don't you think us and our planet would at least interest the aliens enough to come and investigate on a little bit larger of a scale?
Now, I don't want to be seen as rude or arrogant, so instead of calling your idea all-out malarkey, I'll just say that it's seemingly improbable .
I gave you links to photo's and movies, check them out. You seem to think alien life would think like you. Your arrogance is frightening and you are a hypocrite. In the view of Heaven given to and recited by Marietta Davis, for which the link referred, the reason these aliens don't acknowledge us is because they don't want to get the dirt (sin) on themselves. Chris Everard has a physical view and gives evidence of the United States shooting them down.
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Edited by Admin, : Shorten link.

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nator
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Message 18 of 147 (419801)
09-04-2007 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Ihategod
09-04-2007 4:31 PM


Re: Implausibility and Improbability
quote:
I gave you links to photo's and movies, check them out.
Your YouTube video is a SciFi channel commercial.

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anglagard
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Message 19 of 147 (419807)
09-04-2007 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Ihategod
09-04-2007 4:31 PM


Roswell
Vashgun writes:
You seem to think I care to hear opinions from folks you have probably never looked into the subject.
I have been looking into the subject since the mid 60s, and just like any other religious cult, like crystal power, astrology, bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, ghosts, invisible faeries, poltergeists, magic magnetic bracelets, Charlie Manson, and so on and so on, are Bullshit!
This is what happened at Roswell: Page not found | Skeptical Inquirer
As to any personal knowledge of the principals, I am a triple graduate of NMT, so obviously I have met Moore and Thomas and have even discussed this very incident with the latter.
I have found that studying the generation of this new cult is quite informative and amusing. It is interesting that there were no alien bodies in the crash until the movie Hangar 18 came out in 1980.
So not only are all the scientists involved in some worldwide conspiracy to promote things like evolution, an old earth, and gravity; but we also have the entire military all the way down to MP private Sad Sack able to keep his mouth shut about all those UFO debris and aliens on ice.
Yet Stalin knew what was going on at Los Alamos before Truman was even informed by his own subordinates.
Also, Isn't it a bit difficult to have more than one absolutely unquestionable and exclusive religion at the same time? What if the UFO cult says something that contradicts the fundie cult? How does one choose? dice? Tarot? Valerian chance? (oops that's Roman superstition, now we are introducing a third cult belief system).
I would caution you about believing in every cult except those founded upon human reason, like the sciences. You may wind up in the looney bin or worse, following that UFO behind Hale-Bopp.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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XFroGuy
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Message 20 of 147 (419816)
09-04-2007 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Jon
09-04-2007 1:19 AM


Re: Implausibility and Improbability
Post removed ... sorry
Edited by XFroGuy, : I sense that even factual comments may be riddiculed...

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Ihategod
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Message 21 of 147 (419846)
09-05-2007 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by anglagard
09-04-2007 8:56 PM


Re: Roswell
Your opinion
So one guy who is mind controlled speaks out his hypothesis. So what?
Page not found | Skeptical Inquirer
Brainwashing - Wikipedia
this article in itself is suspect, by mention of false pretenses.
In this, I believe the burden is on you:
Presumption of innocence - Wikipedia
Intelligent life exists in the universe or multiverse.

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jar
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Message 22 of 147 (419889)
09-05-2007 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Ihategod
09-05-2007 1:54 AM


Re: Roswell
Intelligent life exists in the universe or multiverse.
Well so far there is actually no evidence beyond the one life form we see, life on earth.
The burden is not on someone to prove life does not exist beyond that one example, but for those making such a claim to present their best case in support of their position.
You toss out "Your opinion" as though all opinions are of equal value. That is simply not the case. Opinions that can be supported by facts and evidence carry far more weight than those that are unsupported.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 23 of 147 (419964)
09-05-2007 5:53 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Ihategod
09-05-2007 1:54 AM


Re: Roswell
Vashgun, do you now understand that that YouTube video you posted was a commercial for the Scifi channel?

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Jazzns
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Message 24 of 147 (419974)
09-05-2007 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by nator
09-05-2007 5:53 PM


Has anyone considered....
....that what we have here is a Troll?
I know the acceptance level is high here on this board for what we believe people to be capable of retaining a large amount of "the crazy". But common, a UFO believing creationist?
I admit I could be wrong. But reading this thread really raises my suspicion a little bit.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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ElOne
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Message 25 of 147 (419991)
09-05-2007 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by jar
09-05-2007 10:18 AM


I am inclined to believe in the possibility of other intelligent life in the Universe. One train of thought on the subject is that life evolved here on Earth by chance. Why couldnt that same sequence of events happen elsewhere, maybe earlier, or without the setbacks that life had on Earth?

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jar
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Message 26 of 147 (419995)
09-05-2007 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by ElOne
09-05-2007 9:04 PM


I am inclined to believe in the possibility of other intelligent life in the Universe.
Of course it is possible. Perhaps even likely.
The point is not what is possible, or even likely, but that there is so far no evidence of any life other than here on earth.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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ElOne
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Message 27 of 147 (420000)
09-05-2007 9:29 PM
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09-05-2007 9:18 PM


Of course there is no evidence, we are just barely able to make short jaunts outside of our atmosphere. However, for the sake of discussion, there may be evidence, in what we are finding out about DNA.

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jar
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Message 28 of 147 (420002)
09-05-2007 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by ElOne
09-05-2007 9:29 PM


on aliens in the Bible
Of course there is no evidence, we are just barely able to make short jaunts outside of our atmosphere. However, for the sake of discussion, there may be evidence, in what we are finding out about DNA.
Nothing to discuss yet. First we need to find a second sample for comparison.
But that still has nothing to do with the topic. And so far, there has been nothing presented that indicates aliens in the Bible.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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ElOne
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Message 29 of 147 (420005)
09-05-2007 9:46 PM
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09-05-2007 9:38 PM


Re: on aliens in the Bible
Psalm 18 vs. 7-19

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jar
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Message 30 of 147 (420006)
09-05-2007 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by ElOne
09-05-2007 9:46 PM


Re: on aliens in the Bible
ROTFLMAO.
Really?
Sorry but nothing in Psalm 18:7-19 but fantasy.
NOTHING related to aliens.
Did you even bother to read verse 6?
Sheesh.
Psalm 18 writes:
6In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears.
7Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.
8There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
9He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.
10And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.
11He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
12At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.
13The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.
14Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them.
15Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.
16He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters.
17He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me.
Do any of you folk even read the Bible?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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