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Message 3 of 147 (418489)
08-28-2007 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ihategod
08-26-2007 9:32 PM


Life somewhere other than Earth?
Is their life on other planets and if so what are the implications?
Honestly, no one knows yet.
However all the evidence seems to point to the things necessary for there to be life exist in abundance everywhere we look. In the only example we do have so far of life, this planet, everywhere we look we find life.
But so far there is no evidence of either intelligent or technological life anywhere in the universe other than Earth.
That does not mean it does not exist, only that so far there is no evidence that it does exist.
Based on the one sample we do have, this earth again, the odds that something like humans exist, critters that posses a high level of technology, the probabilities seem to be almost zero. In the four plus billion years the earth has existed and out of the literally billions of different life forms that exist and have existed, only one has developed a high level of technology and even that, only in the very most recent few decades has been at a level where detection might be possible.

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jar
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Message 22 of 147 (419889)
09-05-2007 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Ihategod
09-05-2007 1:54 AM


Re: Roswell
Intelligent life exists in the universe or multiverse.
Well so far there is actually no evidence beyond the one life form we see, life on earth.
The burden is not on someone to prove life does not exist beyond that one example, but for those making such a claim to present their best case in support of their position.
You toss out "Your opinion" as though all opinions are of equal value. That is simply not the case. Opinions that can be supported by facts and evidence carry far more weight than those that are unsupported.

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jar
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Message 26 of 147 (419995)
09-05-2007 9:18 PM
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09-05-2007 9:04 PM


I am inclined to believe in the possibility of other intelligent life in the Universe.
Of course it is possible. Perhaps even likely.
The point is not what is possible, or even likely, but that there is so far no evidence of any life other than here on earth.

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jar
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Message 28 of 147 (420002)
09-05-2007 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by ElOne
09-05-2007 9:29 PM


on aliens in the Bible
Of course there is no evidence, we are just barely able to make short jaunts outside of our atmosphere. However, for the sake of discussion, there may be evidence, in what we are finding out about DNA.
Nothing to discuss yet. First we need to find a second sample for comparison.
But that still has nothing to do with the topic. And so far, there has been nothing presented that indicates aliens in the Bible.

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jar
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Message 30 of 147 (420006)
09-05-2007 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by ElOne
09-05-2007 9:46 PM


Re: on aliens in the Bible
ROTFLMAO.
Really?
Sorry but nothing in Psalm 18:7-19 but fantasy.
NOTHING related to aliens.
Did you even bother to read verse 6?
Sheesh.
Psalm 18 writes:
6In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried unto my God: he heard my voice out of his temple, and my cry came before him, even into his ears.
7Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth.
8There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it.
9He bowed the heavens also, and came down: and darkness was under his feet.
10And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.
11He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
12At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire.
13The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire.
14Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them.
15Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils.
16He sent from above, he took me, he drew me out of many waters.
17He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me.
Do any of you folk even read the Bible?

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jar
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Message 32 of 147 (420016)
09-05-2007 10:18 PM
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09-05-2007 10:07 PM


Re: on aliens in the Bible
Sorry but no muzzle flashes, no flying vehicle, no cockpit, but it is attributed to God and not aliens.
Fantasy.

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jar
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Message 36 of 147 (420107)
09-06-2007 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by ElOne
09-06-2007 8:58 AM


Re: on aliens in the Bible
And God is a "spiritual" being, from our perspective, here is described a "physical" manifestation.
Nonsense. God is also often shown as a physical critter, walking with people, making other critters out of mud.
In vs. 13 and 14 weaponry is being used. Why would "God" have to use weapons?
ROTFLMAO
Yeah, right.
Psalm 18 writes:
13 The Lord thundered from heaven;
the voice of the Most High resounded
amid the hail and burning coals.
14 He shot his arrows and scattered his enemies;
his lightning flashed, and they were greatly confused.
Weaponry? Thunder, lightning, it is simply poetic.
As I said, do any of you actually read the Bible?

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jar
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Message 40 of 147 (420116)
09-06-2007 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Ihategod
09-06-2007 9:54 AM


Re: on aliens in the Bible
Can you not even see how this could further elone's argument?
Nope. Can't see it. In fact the idea of an airship in that is about as silly as I can imagine. It just ain't there.
Also lets look at the book of ezekiel.
Okay. Let's look at Zeke.
That quote is actually from Ezekiel 1. If you look at it all that is there is classic imagery of the time.
Folk can read all of Ezekiel 1 here.
No aliens.

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jar
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Message 44 of 147 (420123)
09-06-2007 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by New Cat's Eye
09-06-2007 10:23 AM


Re: on aliens in the Bible
This is one of those instances where you can make something up and then insert into the Bible.
If god didn't exist and aliens have been to earth before, this passage could be describing a spaceship that the viewer *thought* was god, dontcha think? I mean, its not impossible.
I realize that from simply reading the Bible, this scenario is not implied. But if you are the type who likes to make stuff up and insert it into the Bible, then this passage could be describing a spaceship.
I know that you're opposed to that type of Bible *study*, but it looks like you just hand-waving instead of addressing the situation.
What situation? The situation of "Theology by making shit up?"
If you are the type of person who, in your words, "likes to make stuff up and insert it into the Bible", then yes, you can make up aliens and spaceships and insert it in the Bible.
But that is stuff the person made up, not what is there. The examples so far, Psalm 18 and Ezekiel 1 simply don't describe aliens or spacecraft or weaponry or robots. The former is VERY clearly talking about God in Heaven and the latter is classic Jewish imagery.

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jar
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Message 47 of 147 (420128)
09-06-2007 11:06 AM
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09-06-2007 10:54 AM


now we add spaceships.
From the author's point of view, yes. But what if the author was mistaken and was desribing only what they thought was god, but in reality was a spaceship. Don't you think the description of a spaceship that was thought to be god could look somthing like the passage from Psalms?
Sorry but that is just silly. Actually is sounds far more like a frumious Bandersnatch!
Look, folk can make up any fantasy they want.

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jar
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Message 50 of 147 (420137)
09-06-2007 11:57 AM
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09-06-2007 11:54 AM


Re: now we add spaceships.
Why is it "just silly"? Its not impossible.
It's not impossible it was the frumious Bandersnatch either.
Well, not really.
If someone said that that Psalm's passage could be describing a unicorn, then I would say no. But if they say that the passage could be describing a spaceship, then I'd say maybe.
It has to fit the passage at least some. It can't be any fantasy.
But the Psalm says that it is talking about God and all the imagery is typical of the period and style. So why make shit up?

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jar
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Message 52 of 147 (420144)
09-06-2007 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by New Cat's Eye
09-06-2007 12:08 PM


Re: now we add spaceships.
The Bandersnatch was invented before spaceships.
I'd expect typical imagery and if you saw a spaceship in those times, you might think it was god too. If you wrote a passage about what you saw, it might look something like that Psalm.
Or if I wrote a poem about God, as the author says he is, it mike look like that.
But also, if someone knew that aliens existed and that they had been reported as god in the past, and this passage was a record of one such occurance, then they wouldn't be making up shit at all but uncovering the truth.
But we do not know that aliens or spaceships existed then and we have a whole herd of similar descriptive material in the same section. In addition, we have lots of evidence that similar imagery was used regularly at the time to describe very prosaic things, like women or palaces or wealth or powerful people.

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jar
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Message 57 of 147 (420156)
09-06-2007 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by ElOne
09-06-2007 1:00 PM


Re: on aliens in the Bible
Or it could mean cherub, an imaginary critter.

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jar
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Message 79 of 147 (420297)
09-07-2007 10:33 AM
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09-07-2007 9:23 AM


Good Lord.
Yes it uses the term Lord, and it is still common imagery for the period.
Look, you are free to believe in Flying Saucers and Aliens in the Bible if you want.
If you read the rest of the definition you will find that when the first letter is capitalized the term Lord can refer to God.
The issue is not what CAN be imagined, I have already said you can make up most anything. The issue is with what is probable, and there is no evidence of either Aliens or Spaceships ever visiting Earth.
When you look at the Hebrew Scriptures using todays wod bank, a whole different message emerges.
Uh, no. Using todays word bank you can make up whole new stores from the material.

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jar
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Message 101 of 147 (420740)
09-09-2007 11:17 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Ihategod
09-09-2007 11:14 AM


Not what the TOE says.
In the Toe, the implications are that we humans are the highest evolved.
No, that is NOT what the TOE says or implies.

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