There is ONE version of Christianity. It's contained in the Bible.
Are you as ignorant of Christianity as you are of science?
The is no such thing as "The Bible". There are several different Canons with several different lists of what books are in, what ore not. The smallest Canon has only 5 books while the largest Canon has over 80.
Re: I have no problem with teaching ID in a school but...
No, my friend, that is where you are wrong. Christianity is NOT a religion is a personal relationship with our Creator, and his Son Jesus Christ. But, as long as you are on the "religion in disguise" thing. I know you would have to agree that Atheism is a religion in itself, right? And so is Budhism, Hinduism, etc. These are all taught in schools. Why do you suppose that is?
LOL, too funny.
First you say there is such a thing as "THE Bible", now you say Christianity is not a religion.
Then you think I would agree that atheism is a religion?
Atheism is NOT taught in school that I know of. Buddhism, Hinduism may be taught in either social studies or religious studies, and I would have no problem teach Christianity there either.
But non of that has anything to do with ID or teaching ID.
That's silly. Me, ignorant of Christianity? I have been studying the Bible for over 20 years. But then again, it is futile for me to expect that someone that hasn't experienced the love and grace that Jesus has to offer to understand what I'm talking about. I understand that there are large volumes of literature out there that contain writings from biblical times. I know this to be true. But the Bible is the only one inspired BY GOD HIMSELF. If there was some other writing that God wanted to be in the Bible, it would have been. He doesn't make mistakes. But then again, you wouldn't understand. You should try attending a Bible teaching church. Maybe God has something to say to your heart. There is a need in all of us to feel loved, and to know that we have a purpose in this world.
Re: I have no problem with teaching ID in a school but...
This is where YOU are tremendously ignorant. Just because there is a Bible, doesn't mean it is religion. The Bible is God's way of communicating with us. On how to go about our lives. Living according to the scriptures. But I can't expect you to understand this if you haven't experienced God's forgiveness and grace in your life.
If there was some other writing that God wanted to be in the Bible, it would have been. He doesn't make mistakes.
Then why do some Canon (you do know that the only thing that makes something a Bible is Canon don't you? ) contain only the first 5 books of the Bible and other Canon contain over 80 books? Couldn't God make up her mind?
The rest of your Yada yada is irrelevant and unimportant.
I really think you should attend a church service or too. A real, bible teaching, God fearing church. Not one that gets in your face, a good church. You seem pretty confident in your beliefs, so you shouldn't be too challenged. Right? You might find it interesting. In the meantime, I am going to pray for you. I will pray that God will open your heart to his wonderful grace and love he is offering. I have to go to work now. Take care my friend.
But you still fail to address the fact that there is no such thing as "The Bible" and instead retreat into some carny spiel. What makes you think I have not attended many such churches of many different flavors of the Christian religion?
What bothers me about such places was that the Pastors and Ministers all were so totally ignorant of the faith they were selling.
But worry not, I doubt that you can teach me anything about GOD.
And the topic is still "What's the problem with teaching ID?"
I have said that it should be taught as an example of piss poor science, perversion of the scientific method and terrible theology.
While your apparent unawareness that not all Christian sects use the same Bible is surprising and worth noting, I can't really see the tie-in to ID. I think it would be more relevant to focus on your other statements. Schraf said this in Message 85:
Schraf in Message 85 writes:
So, are you saying that we should teach Christianity instead of science in science classrooms?
No, both. What's wrong with that. The students deserve to know ALL beliefs about their existence don't they. Besides aren't we supposed to be teaching tolerance and diversity? Shouldn't Christianity fit in there somewhere?
I think the position of most here who are arguing on the side of science would be that science class is not a course about "ALL beliefs about their existence," and that it isn't the proper venue for "teaching tolerance and diversity," nor for teaching about Christianity.
Did you really mean to argue for including these things in science class?
You need God in your life. You have been to churches that have spoiled your view of Jesus. That is a tragedy. But don't let it get you down. Try some more. If you are as confident as you seem, it shouldn't matter right? I will pray that you will find a good one. By the way, there is a thing called the Holy Bible. It is the number one best seller in all of history. I'm sure you've heard of it.
No, what makes the Holy Bible is what is God Breathed, and God inspired. The entire Bible (the one called "Holy Bible") is God breathed. Many men, from all over that part of the world, from different cultures, and different languages and different backgrounds wrote this book made of many little books. There may be other "bibles", but there is only one that is God inspired.
I'm sorry but other than your assertion, do you have anything to support that?
You will need some pretty strong support since the evidence clearly shows what you are claiming to be false.
But the issue is "What's the problem with teaching ID?"
I have stated that I think ID should be taught, if for no other reason to show the implications of such a failed, deadend, worthless method.
As I have pointed out before, when we actually look at the world around us, what we see are examples of just barely good enough to squeak by design, Inept Design, Ignorant Design, Inefficient Design, everything BUT Intelligent Design.
I don't know how you could get around teaching ID in science class but ignoring the faith it stems from.
Well, yeah, precisely, the courts feel the same way.
Should I conclude from this that you believe ID should not be taught in science class? Or are you saying that it should, along with Christianity, tolerance, diversity and all beliefs about existence, but that you understand the courts would frown on this?