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Scoopy
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Message 54 of 97 (425220)
10-01-2007 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Mission for Truth
06-13-2004 7:19 PM


I read somewhere that if the earth's tilt was a few degrees off or it was a few miles closer or further from the sun, nothing would survive, it would be too cold or too hot. I don't remember where I read that but that would explain why the moon has no life.

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Scoopy
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Message 58 of 97 (425232)
10-01-2007 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by EighteenDelta
10-01-2007 12:25 PM


what I'm talking about is the center of the earth to be further or closer to the sun... I know that we are in an eliptical pattern and I know that the tilt is off, I'm just saying if the average distance was increased or decreased, we would be in deep trouble.

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Scoopy
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Message 60 of 97 (425243)
10-01-2007 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by EighteenDelta
10-01-2007 12:59 PM


I was just repeating what I had read in a science textbook, that's all. I'm not confused at all.

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Scoopy
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Message 64 of 97 (425355)
10-01-2007 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Taz
10-01-2007 7:01 PM


First of all, you don't know if it's fiction unless you know everything, and I hardly think you do or you would be all over the news. Second of all, what I was talking about, and lets see if you can grasp this, is that the earth goes in an eliptical pattern. Which means that there is a short diameter and a long diameter to it's orbit. If the long diameter were to be lengthened just a little bit, it would cause drastic consequences. This has nothing to do with a pastor, I have never heard a pastor say this. And I don't have to cite titles or authors or anything. This isn't the world championship of debates here. All I was saying was I read it somewhere. If you are going to use condescending talk like that then you only piss people off, and that is not debating, that's being a prick. Try just having an open mind and reading what people have to say, if you know so much, then you can be a teacher to the people who know less than you. But if you use talk like you do, it only turns people off, it doesn't promote good conversation.

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Scoopy
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Message 66 of 97 (425366)
10-01-2007 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by molbiogirl
10-01-2007 10:36 PM


Then I would like to see documentation for Taz's statments about the tilting of the earth changing over time. Also his documentation about my source being science fiction. Do you see what you have opened up here by using Rule #4? I want documentation from everything read then that states facts. Especially when I am ridiculed. That is poor debating. Condescending remarks are not debating they are childish.

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Scoopy
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From: Springfield, Oregon
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Message 71 of 97 (425439)
10-02-2007 10:38 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by kuresu
10-02-2007 12:03 AM


if you read my original statement, I don't remember the title of the book that I read it from...I just have a good memory for facts and I was just stating something I read. I would love to see the facts that show that my statement is entirely impossible. And I don't want to see that "the earth's distance from the sun varies by millions of miles over the time of it's revolution". That is NOT what I stated originally.

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Scoopy
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Message 72 of 97 (425442)
10-02-2007 10:45 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by Taz
10-02-2007 12:35 AM


I told you, I don't remember...from now on I won't use the terms "I read somewhere", ok? I will do my research and cite sources. I came into this forum to learn from people that might have more knowledge about certain subjects. It shouldn't matter if I am a creationist or atheist, or buddhist, or whatever. I never deserved to be ridiculed. I accept your apologies absolutely, and I will do my best to cite resources. I was just wanting to contribute to the conversation. If I had taken a class from you, and you responded like that to me I would have gone to you in private and confronted your teaching styles. This forum should be no different. If someone is obviously ignorant of certain details of a subject, why should he be criticized? Just like I said in my other response, the knowledgeable ones should be the TEACHERS!, not the criticizers. I have a college degree in mathematics and know a lot about certain subjects. So, I screwed up on this comment about the earth. Let's just wipe the slate clean and I will work a little harder on citing better quotes.
OK?

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Scoopy
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Message 73 of 97 (425445)
10-02-2007 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Taz
10-02-2007 12:46 AM


I wasn't making a claim, just saying what I had read. It isn't my claim at all. I was just making conversation. You shouldn't take it so personally

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Scoopy
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Message 74 of 97 (425448)
10-02-2007 10:53 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by anglagard
10-02-2007 4:21 AM


Re: Precession and Axial Tilt
I know that the earth tilts back and forth causing the seasons we have. This I know. What I was talking about, and again, this is only what I had read, not my own statement, was that if the tilt were to be 2 or 3 degrees further out during winter or closer to the sun during summer. That is what the statement was. I understand that the sun's tilt has been changing and varying over time. Again, all I was doing was contributing to the conversation. But a lot of you people seem to just jump on the contributors if you see something that to you seems ridiculous. That doesn't seem like it promotes more conversation. I'm sorry for stating something that seems so stupid. I'll just sit back and learn for a while I guess. Maybe I'm not good enough to join forums like this one.

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Scoopy
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From: Springfield, Oregon
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Message 76 of 97 (425453)
10-02-2007 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Vacate
10-02-2007 11:10 AM


Re: Precession and Axial Tilt
I understand that we vary by millions of miles in distance from the sun. What I was saying was that if the MAXIMUM distance was changed to be further than it ever has been, or the MINIMUM distance was changed to be closer than it ever has been before. That was the statement. I DO know some things about our planetary formations. I know that the tilt goes back and forth and that the tilt changes all the time. This is how we get our seasons. What I was saying is that if the tilt continued outward from the sun during winter past the point that it tilts normally, and kept going. It would get to a point that things would be too cold here to support life. Or am I still off base here?

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Scoopy
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From: Springfield, Oregon
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Message 78 of 97 (425458)
10-02-2007 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by kuresu
10-02-2007 11:36 AM


Re: Precession and Axial Tilt
who told you I'm an aerospace engineer? By the tilting of the earth causing the northern or southern hemispheres to get more or less direct sunlight, or vice versa, this is simply saying that the tilt is the reason we have different seasons. This is very common knowledge. What you are saying is true too. I was just simplifying it by saying the tilt is the reason the sunlight is different, hence, the seasons.

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Scoopy
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From: Springfield, Oregon
Joined: 09-30-2007


Message 82 of 97 (425474)
10-02-2007 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by EighteenDelta
10-02-2007 12:07 PM


Re: Precession and Axial Tilt
"some" wouldn't have to be much, I'm thinking maybe like 1,000 miles? Which in the grand scheme of things isn't much. If you consider how fragile our environment is with respect to how easily the climates can change with even a few degrees in the ocean temperature, a thousand miles towards or away from the sun could make a huge difference on earth. At least that is what makes sense to me.

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Scoopy
Junior Member (Idle past 6021 days)
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From: Springfield, Oregon
Joined: 09-30-2007


Message 83 of 97 (425476)
10-02-2007 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by kuresu
10-02-2007 12:10 PM


Re: Precession and Axial Tilt
Ok, so I looked up some websites about the tilt. I guess I was wrong. How I managed to go my whole life thinking that the earth tilted back and forth to create seasons, I don't know (Ha!) But, I could still reformulate my statement. What if the tilt of 23.5 degrees changed to 25 degrees? How much difference would that make?

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Scoopy
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From: Springfield, Oregon
Joined: 09-30-2007


Message 85 of 97 (425478)
10-02-2007 12:53 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by kuresu
10-02-2007 12:49 PM


Re: Precession and Axial Tilt
I just meant that if the tilt was more than 23.5degrees, like say 25? How much difference would that make in the temperature of the earth?

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Scoopy
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Joined: 09-30-2007


Message 89 of 97 (425615)
10-03-2007 7:39 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Vacate
10-01-2007 12:39 PM


I understand that our distance from the sun changes drastically during it's revolution. Everybody keeps saying that. What if that maximum distance of 152.5 million km was changed to 153 million km. That's what I'm talking about. I always knew our earth's distance from the sun varied. A statement like "If the earth was further from the sun could cause catastrophic damage" implies that the MAXIMUM distance be increased obviously because we have a varied distance. Now do you understand what I'm saying?

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