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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Jar writes: I assume you can show where Percy has ever controlled content or avoided challenge? I sure can. Just tell me on front of which impartial judge I should present the case. On second thoughts...
Actually EvC is a great example of open discussion. TTBOMK No ONE has even been banned or even suspended at EvC based on their opinions Tsk, tsk. You know that I could (by way of my being banned) prove this point erroneous.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Tsk, tsk. You know that I could (by way of my being banned) prove this point erroneous. You were never suspended based on your opinions. Even when it comes to your behavior, because you are a Biblical Christian you have been allowed to break rules that would get an Evolutionist suspended. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
I was suspended once. And my opinion had very much to do with it.
If someone was giving me slack that is their responsibility. I never asked for it.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3978 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.3 |
iano writes: You mean like the controlled environment Percy set up? Where he can control the content and avoid challenge? EvC indeed. You're right, iano. Percy did set up a controlled environment here at the Evolution verus Creation Forum, at least in the science threads: he required creationists to accept the evidentiary standards of science, to present solid, replicable evidence and sound logic in support of their views. That, of course, has been a recipe for failure--creationist failure. The failure of creationists here at EvC mirrors their failure elsewhere: there is no evidence or logic to support the creationist position. Nonetheless, Percy did the creationist camp a favor by muting the worst of their excesses. Religion neither originated nor prospered via solid evidence or sound reason. Creationists can wax away on feelings of wonder and/or inadequacy, shame and guilt, appeals to consequences, tradition, lyric paeans to the lonely soul, etc.--but they cannot contest effectively in the arena of science and reason. There are places at EvC where creationists can engage in discussions without the strictures placed on the scientific fora. In that regard, EvC is indeed open, far more open than religious institutions with their intolerance of secular perspectives. Go hang out at a creationist web site and see what happens to evolution supporters. For some years now at EvC, creationists have attempted and failed to contest with science while measuring up to science's sharp (but fair) standards. We will never see the arrival of creationism's stellar scientific knights because there are none. There are pretenders to the title, but they would never come here, where their arguments are permanently recorded and readily confronted by knowledgeable skeptics. They will continue to make live podium appearances where they can talk fast, make a quick buck, and not look back--for they seek merely to discredit science among the unwary, not to match wits with it on a level field. So I say, let's drop the pretense. Let's stop pretending that Uncle Creat is even capable of making sense around the scientific dinner table. Let the creationists say whatever they like: let them damn us, lie to us, demean their own minds, make things up, fail to provide requested documentation...let creationists be creationists without limit. We have tended to give more leeway to creationists than evolutionists here, and I say it's time to go whole hog: give them carte blanche to do their worst. Let's continue to hold their science-minded critics to the most exacting standards of reason, evidence, and civility. More rope, sir? Real things always push back. -William James Save lives! Click here!Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC! ---------------------------------------
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
BTW: I take it that you are not posing an impartial judge. In which case we can forget all about THAT point?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I was suspended once. And my opinion had very much to do with it. I hope you can support that. Now to the question. Do you think the tactic of isolation, ghetto mentality and avoidance that seems to be the trend among the Biblical Christian community can be effective? Is hiding away and avoiding having beliefs challenged an effect lifestyle? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
iano writes: I was suspended once. And my opinion had very much to do with it.
jar writes: I hope you can support that. I can't remember the exact words. But "You are a high ranking officer in the army of Satan" had something to do with my being banned then. If I recall correctly. I could be wrong though.
Now to the question. Who cares...
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Omni writes: More rope You are too honourable to have me issue it out for you. Some other time Omni...
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I can't remember the exact words. But "You are a high ranking officer in the army of Satan" had something to do with my being banned then. If I recall correctly. I could be wrong though. Ah, perhaps yet another personal attack on a member, instead of addressing content. I have been trying to convince the Administration here that those should not be considered suspendable infractions when committed by a Biblical Christian or Creationist. That is pertinent to this thread. Should Biblical Christians be held to as high a standard of behavior as everyone else? If so, do you think that Biblical Christians could behave in a manner that would allow them to continue posting here or would we just end up suspending all the potential supporters of Biblical Creationism simply because they cannot behave within the rules? Edited by jar, : fix subtitle Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Whatever..
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iano Member (Idle past 1940 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Omni writes: The failure of creationists here at EvC mirrors their failure elsewhere: there is no evidence or logic to support the creationist position Granted. What about the fuckhead position though. Take me for instance. I'm a fuckhead. According to EvC-think we could bat the ball - back and forward - and do no better than arrive at a position of fuckheadedness based upon the lie of the land (around here). If the lie of the land says I'm a fuckhead then I am. If not then not. But I say I am a fuckhead. What then. EvC against me it appears. As if I should trust. You're a fuckhead too Omni. But don't take my word for it.
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 3993 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Creationists are not only defective in challenging scientific 'theories', but are among Biblical ignorami. They come bustling in, bristling with indignation or righteous anger, determined to slay the atheist/evolutionary/scientific beast and proceed to demonstrate the full extent of their Biblical knowledge. Which is abysmal. You would think a believer would be concerned with learning of Bible history, versions, various interpretations, even textual criticism, if only to make sure they were on the right track-delusion-wise. But, the more they quote Bible-related matters, the more they are exposed as vacuous. Repeatedly, we are told 'There is only one Bible' 'The Qumran Scrolls show the Bible has never changed' 'Archaeology proves the Bible' 'The Exodus and Flood really happened' 'The Gospels were written by the authors named in the Bible'. And much more in that vein.They are equipped via church tracts, or their cyber counterparts, creationist websites, which stroke the egos of followers, but rarely admit their errors. When you try to point out ways of getting to the truth, even sourcing Christian scholars or clergy, they retreat into denial, or show their failure to absorb Christian principles by lashing out with juvenile threats. Basic dogma isn`t that hard to learn, but surely, there comes a time when you have to advance. Not only as a Christian, but as a human being.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
I assume this thread is supposed to be productive and conducive to that end. But its beginning to look like just an op ed piece on how awful creationists are.
Anyone else notice the disparity? "It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I assume this thread is supposed to be productive and conducive to that end. But its beginning to look like just an op ed piece on how awful creationists are. It is true that the Creationists do look pretty awful, but we still need to let them present the best support of their position they can muster even if they destroy their own credibility doing so. Look at Message 14 where an allegation is made and never supported and Message 22 where the poster himself posts how he attacked the individual instead of the argument and Message 25 and Message 26. What can be done to help the Creationists? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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