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nator
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Message 26 of 142 (426826)
10-08-2007 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Kitsune
10-08-2007 4:45 PM


Re: Answer the question, Lindalou!
quote:
Is it "nothing but water"? A scientist would say so. The original idea was that the "memory" of the substance is retained in the water. Like I said, I haven't looked into it and I don't know enough to be able to comment knowledgeably. However, as you are well aware, I believe that there are potentially many aspects about the world we live in that are waiting to be discovered. We don't know it all. Maybe we don't even know it all about water.
So, does that mean that if I piss into a bottle, and then distill it to take everything out of the water but the H2O, does the resulting purified water have the "memory" of the urine in it?
If I take water that has been in a toxic waste dump, and purify it, does that mean the water has the memory of toxins in it?
Most of the water on the planet has simply been recycled for millenia. There is almost no "new" water. Shouldn't all water have a "memory" of everywhere it has ever been over the millenia?
What you are suggesting, yet again, is that all we know about the physics of matter is completely wrong and that made up, illogical stuff that contradicts all we know is really what's going on.
quote:
If it works, it works. What's the deal?
Remember in the other thread when you agreed with me that those children's cold medicines that were shown to be ineffective should fall out of favor? The scientists studying them determined that the only positive effect was from the placebo effect.
Now, you seem to be making a complete reversal when it comes to homeopathy, even though the reason we are objecting to homeopathic remedies is for the exact same reason; the only possible benefit is from the placebo effect, since there is no active ingredient in the product whatsoever.
Why is it "no big deal" here but not with the other products?
And LindaLou, aren't you a bit worried that you are taking medical advice from somebody on the internet that doesn't even charge for their services? Did I read that right? That sounds, to put it mildly, seriously foolhardy.
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nator
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Message 28 of 142 (426841)
10-08-2007 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Coragyps
10-08-2007 9:57 PM


Re: You think that's bad...
quote:
...whacking the dilution bottle on a leather pad.
Leather, eh? I wonder if the anti-cruelty people who seem to gravitate towards quackerly like this would be pleased to know about the dead cow skin requirement?

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nator
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Message 42 of 142 (426948)
10-09-2007 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 41 by riVeRraT
10-09-2007 8:03 AM


Re: Lindalou Avoids The Question
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Second question, are all homeopathic mixtures diluted 30x?
No, but most are.
Those are supposed to be the most powerful ones, IIRC.

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nator
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Message 59 of 142 (427111)
10-09-2007 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Kitsune
10-09-2007 12:26 PM


Re: It's even worse than you think, Dr. A
Seriously, don't you think it is a little irresponsible for a doctor to diagnose you over the internet?
I mean, how does she know if you are having a problem with your adrenal function if she has never done any blood hormone testing?
Have you had any tests of your adrenals, or anything like that?

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nator
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Message 60 of 142 (427112)
10-09-2007 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Kitsune
10-09-2007 12:33 PM


selling and prescribing expensive fake cures is unethical
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I'm not going to defend homeopathy here with the same vigour that I've defended things elsewhere, because I agree that it sounds highly improbable. My mind says it's complete nonsense. However, I also trust my ND. Homeopathy is a small part of what she does and she's never prescribed it for me.
Defend? Why would you defend it at all? It deserves your derision and disdain.
It is nonsense, LindaLou. Pure quackery. Worse than snake oil and patent medicines, because at least those had actual ingredients in them, even though they were ineffective and sometimes harmful.
If your ND prescribes homeopatic remedies, she's prescribing quackery.
Why would you trust anything your ND says if she thinks that homeopathy is valid? (I realize that you said that she 'despises traditional homeopathy', but I'm not sure what other kind there is)
It would be like a mainstream MD saying that they think that disease is caused by evil spirits and not germs, or that appendicitis can be cured with psychic surgery. Why would believe anything they say? Why wouldn't you simply back away, smiling and nodding?
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If she did, I would give her the benefit of the doubt and try it. There's no harm in it, it's not as if I'm hoping it's going to cure my cancer or mend a broken leg.
You think that prescribing completely useless, quack remedies is harmless? You think that it is ethical to tell people to purchase sugar pills and distilled water, thus lining the pockets of quack remedy manufactuers? I guess your idea of right and wrong is different than mine.
Now, I'm going to repeat what I said in my last post to you, becasue you have yet to address it but it it is at the cruux of how you argue your position here. You have a very stong double standard, and a profound bias in which you mistrust everything that mainstream medical science does, and pretty much blindly accept everything that isn't in the mainstream.
Remember in the other thread when you agreed with me that those children's cold medicines that were shown to be ineffective should fall out of favor? The scientists studying them determined that the only positive effect was from the placebo effect.
Now, you seem to be making a complete reversal when it comes to homeopathy, even though the reason we are objecting to homeopathic remedies is for the exact same reason; the only possible benefit is from the placebo effect, since there is no active ingredient in the product whatsoever.
Why is it "no big deal" here but not with the other products?
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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 61 of 142 (427115)
10-09-2007 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by molbiogirl
10-09-2007 7:22 PM


quote:
First, Lindalou is quoting a geologist as an authoritative source on homeopathy and now this.
No, LindaLou cited a retired geologist in support of her rejection of vaccines.

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