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Message 1 of 12 (417565)
08-23-2007 8:43 AM


EvC Forum is back up! Apologies for the outage.

The server decided to crash while I'm on vacation. When it was rebooted it came up with the date set to April 2, 2003. I had reported this problem of booting up with the incorrect date to our webhosting company twice before, but they still had not fixed it. When the date is wrong the website does not work, which some of you have noticed in the form of disappearing threads.

The website went down around 9:30 Tuesday night, about an hour after I checked it. I had planned to check it each evening, and so when I checked it Wednesday night it had already been down for nearly a full day.

Because I'm on the road and not at home I do not have the resources normally available to me, and I could not set the date myself. I requested our webhosting company to set the date for me, and it only took 6 phone calls and 5 hours to accomplish this simple task.

So we're finally back! I'll continue to check in every evening.


--Percy
EvC Forum Director

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 2 of 12 (417566)
08-23-2007 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Admin
08-23-2007 8:43 AM


Thanks for taking the time to address this issue, Percy, and to inform us.

I hope that, in spite of it, you are getting to enjoy something like a vacation!


Archer

All species are transitional.


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macaroniandcheese 
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Message 3 of 12 (417573)
08-23-2007 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Admin
08-23-2007 8:43 AM


poor dear. enjoy the rest of your vacation.
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Taz
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Message 4 of 12 (417585)
08-23-2007 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Admin
08-23-2007 8:43 AM


Percy writes:

So we're finally back! I'll continue to check in every evening.


You're not being a true American. A true American would sue your webhosting company for everything they have right down to their underwear.


Disclaimer:

Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.

He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!


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Adminnemooseus
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Message 5 of 12 (417641)
08-23-2007 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Admin
08-23-2007 8:43 AM


Getting that log in page and other Adminnemooseus observations
My observations:

For quite a while I couldn't get anything from to download. Just got "server not responding" messages.

Then things started working, with the big red "We're having trouble" message on the "All Topics" page. It said something along the lines of "access by Directors only". I noted that the date and time were wrong. Later that got corrected, but the big red message was still there.

Apparently I was still logged in (as Adminnemooseus) on the computer I was using. Once things got going some, I could navigate around the forum. But if I went to a different computer and tried to access things, all I got was the "Log In" page. It would not let me log in as Minnemooseus. I did not try logging in as Adminnemooseus on that second computer.

I presume that the general membership could not post, even when the site had apparently come back to normal. I presume Percy had set something to cause that. I (as a Director) did not attempt to post.

In regards to the "Log In" page during the troubles - There was no "big red" message on that page, to inform the general membership about the problems. Apparently, if you weren't already logged in, you were totally in the dark about what was happening. Trying to log in only resulted in getting bounced back to the "Log In" page again.

Oddly enough, even when no one could log in, the "visitor" total was still running 200+ to 300+. Seemingly, all these visitors were looking at the "Log In" page.

Adminnemooseus


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Taz
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Message 6 of 12 (417647)
08-23-2007 3:56 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Adminnemooseus
08-23-2007 3:21 PM


Re: Getting that log in page and other Adminnemooseus observations
AM writes:

Oddly enough, even when no one could log in, the "visitor" total was still running 200+ to 300+. Seemingly, all these visitors were looking at the "Log In" page.


Not to mention jar was in chat the whole time.


Disclaimer:

Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style.

He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!


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Percy
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Message 7 of 12 (417657)
08-23-2007 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Adminnemooseus
08-23-2007 3:21 PM


Re: Getting that log in page and other Adminnemooseus observations
The unusual behavior you observed was due to the server being set to the incorrect date. Those already logged in saw the "Board Closed" message, but those not logged in were brought to the login page, even when they only clicked on a webpage that didn't require being logged in. This is a bug I'll check on when I get home - I'm pretty sure I didn't write the software to expect the server and the user's computer to be 4 years apart in the date, but it should be more failsafe then it currently is, so I'll fix it.

The reason no one could log in is simple. When you log in the software sets the login to automatically expire in one year, which would be April 2, 2004, so the login expired at the very instant it was set, since the expiration date was in the past. I should be able to fix this so that the software won't care if the server and the user's computer are out of sync with regard to date.

Thanks to those who wished me a good time on vacation. We toured Intercourse today in the Ammish/Mennonite country of Pennsylvania. My wife is very much into quilting, and so we visited a couple of very obscure and "off-the beaten trail" quilt shops. In each case the "shop" was in the walk-in basement of a house, and the houses looked like completely normal A-frame houses except that no phone lines or power lines ran to them. Huge propane tanks about 15 feet long and maybe 2.5 feet in diameter were positioned nearby the house.

The shops had windows along one wall but were still rather dark. Both shops had propane lamps very similar to propane camping lamps. A barbecue-grill style propane tank resided in a handsome wooden box, and out the top came a pipe with the propane lantern attached to the top about 5 feet off the floor. Each shop was empty when we entered, but in short order a young girl of maybe 20 to 25 came down the stairs to attend to us. In neither shop did they turn on a light - I think they must be accustomed to very little light.

In each shop we could hear people upstairs, kids in one, and in the other both kids and adults. The ceiling was finished in both shops, but evidently the ceiling wasn't insulated because the footfalls were loud.

The girls, and all the Amish we encountered, had accents that were only noticeable on certain words like "home", which sounded as if they were a combination of British and southern US accents. Of course, the Amish and Mennonites native language is German, but their accent was definitely not German.

I was surprised that both shops used relatively modern cash registers, with the price displayed in blue LED numerals. An inquiry revealed that their cash registers are powered by batteries. I've since learned that the Amish and Mennonites do not reject technology just because it's modern, but rather reject technology because of the potential impact on their life and culture. Hence, they use power equipment (often a flat metal-wheel tractor driving a belt) to load their grain and corn into silos, and they use (often communal) phones when necessary, and it is said that cell phones are making significant inroads (how do they charge them?). The Mennonites on average are much more willing to incorporate modern technology into their lives, but there is a wide range of practice concerning this among both the Amish and the Mennonites.

We're taking our vacation now because we just yesterday dropped my daughter off to begin her freshman year of college. She had been exchanging email's with her roommate-to-be who dropped a bombshell just last week - her boyfriend proposed and she accepted. My daughter's roommate, just three weeks past 18, is engaged. I wonder now if the roommate is serious about college. And my own daughter is a bit shy and sensitive and needs encouragement to socialize, so I'm not sure having an engaged roommate is a positive development. Oh, well, we will see what happens.

Didn't mean to turn this into a personal note. I'm going to give myself and this thread a special dispensation to go off-topic since I have to type on this tiny laptop, and the small screen makes navigating difficult. I'm sure it's okay when you're used to it, but I'm not.

--Percy


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jar
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Message 8 of 12 (417662)
08-23-2007 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
08-23-2007 5:34 PM


Re: Getting that log in page and other Adminnemooseus observations
Sounds like a great vacation so far.

I grew up wandering around Amish and Mennonite (Intercourse is the Home of Trojan's outboard motors and do they still have a big billboard as you come into town? ) country and the Mennonites are far more likely to use modern technology. Several of my favorite restaurants were run by Mennonite families and they used all available technology.

The biggest difference was in their attitude though, where it was quite clear that THEY used technology, and that technology did not use them.

They were also extremely adaptable when it came to planning and engineering and the Round Barns of the area are marvels in planning and using nature as a tool to make work easier.


Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Nighttrain
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Message 9 of 12 (417702)
08-23-2007 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
08-23-2007 5:34 PM


Re: Getting that log in page and other Adminnemooseus observations
Well, to make up for the outage, how about some pix of Our Leader on holiday? :-p
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Percy
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Message 10 of 12 (417901)
08-25-2007 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by jar
08-23-2007 6:03 PM


Re: Getting that log in page and other Adminnemooseus observations
Didn't see the Trojan billboard, but wasn't looking for it either. Didn't see any round barns, but did see several two-horse teams pulling contraptions of some sort in fields. Buggies would come by every few minutes, got a few nice shots.

But I forgot to mention - we went through Dover! Yes, that Dover! It's just a dot on the map, but it has a long and active main street and several large, modern bedroom communities, probably for nearby York. The Baptist church was *very* large, right on the main drag.

--Percy


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condosinnicaragua 
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Message 11 of 12 (427204)
10-10-2007 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Admin
08-23-2007 8:43 AM


spam
spam crap deleted poster baned (and burned :) )

Edited by AdminNosy, : spammer


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Message 12 of 12 (427205)
10-10-2007 12:04 PM
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10-10-2007 12:00 PM


Re: Carlos
Bloody spammer. Any admins about?
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