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bluescat48
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Message 16 of 26 (439060)
12-07-2007 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by anglagard
12-07-2007 1:39 AM


Re: Religious Test for Public Employees
Evidently, you don't seem to understand that the US Constitution specifically forbids a religious test for officeholders. Given the obvious intent of such founders, why and how should such a religious test apply to state employees?
This seems to be a problem with a large percent of the voting population.

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Buzsaw
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Message 17 of 26 (439082)
12-07-2007 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by anglagard
12-07-2007 1:39 AM


Re: Religious Test for Public Employees
anglagard writes:
Evidently, you don't seem to understand that the US Constitution specifically forbids a religious test for officeholders. Given the obvious intent of such founders, why and how should such a religious test apply to state employees?
The Bill Of Rights also calls for free and unabated exercise of religion both in and out of office to the extent that the founders had church in the halls of congress, instituted Bible and Watt's Hymnal in public schools etc. Now even the Ten Commandments which are inscripted in the capitol are forbidden in many public buildings. How does your religious test weigh in here?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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jar
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Message 18 of 26 (439084)
12-07-2007 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw
12-07-2007 10:04 AM


More nonsense from Buz
The Bill Of Rights also calls for free and unabated exercise of religion both in and out of office to the extent that the founders had church in the halls of congress, instituted Bible and Watt's Hymnal in public schools etc.
Please show where the Bill of Rights "calls for free and unabated exercise of religion both in and out of office to the extent that the founders had church in the halls of congress, instituted Bible and Watt's Hymnal in public schools etc."
Here is a link to it if you should actually want to read it.

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Rail Bird
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Message 19 of 26 (439149)
12-07-2007 2:09 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by jar
12-07-2007 10:11 AM


Re: More nonsense from Buz
Dembski has just posted at Uncommon Descent regarding the Comer firing and took the opportunity for a shot at Barbara Forrest. The post wasn't particularly interesting, but the first comment was. The person making the comment stated that the HIV virus was not considered an organism. I've been away from Biology for many years. Are viruses not considered living organisms?
Sorry, this was directed at message 1, not to Buz.
Edited by Rail Bird, : insert living before organism and correct who message was directed to.

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Buzsaw
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Message 20 of 26 (439206)
12-07-2007 6:35 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by jar
12-07-2007 10:11 AM


Re: More nonsense from Buz
This has been debated in the past and off topic here for indepth debate. What is applicable to congress should apply across the board so far as the 1st Amendment's free exercise law goes.
As for the Bible and Watts Hymnal in the schools, that's been cited over many times and you should know by now that it is factual.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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jar
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Message 21 of 26 (439209)
12-07-2007 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Buzsaw
12-07-2007 6:35 PM


Re: More nonsense from Buz
Buz claims:
The Bill Of Rights also calls for free and unabated exercise of religion both in and out of office to the extent that the founders had church in the halls of congress, instituted Bible and Watt's Hymnal in public schools etc.
I linked you to a copy of the Bill of Rights. Please point out where it "calls for free and unabated exercise of religion both in and out of office to the extent that the founders had church in the halls of congress, instituted Bible and Watt's Hymnal in public schools etc."
Or is this just yet another example of Buz misrepresenting things and when called on it running away?

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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Buzsaw
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Message 22 of 26 (439213)
12-07-2007 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by jar
12-07-2007 6:44 PM


Re: More nonsense from Buz
If you will itemize wherein I've missinterpreted the 1st, I'll respond, that is if you edit out the personal insult while you're at it. Hereafter if you want responses from me you treat me with a reasonable amount of respect as per the old forum guidelines.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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jar
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Message 23 of 26 (439214)
12-07-2007 7:07 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Buzsaw
12-07-2007 7:02 PM


Dropping this effort
Buz writes:
The Bill Of Rights also calls for free and unabated exercise of religion both in and out of office to the extent that the founders had church in the halls of congress, instituted Bible and Watt's Hymnal in public schools etc.

Where does the Bill of Rights call for
  • free and unabated exercise of religion both in and out of office
  • church in the halls of congress
  • instituted Bible and Watt's Hymnal in public schools
As to treating you with respect, I have the utmost respect for you and so wonder why you must always misrepresent things in your posts?
AbE:
Whatever Buz. It is simply not worth it.
Edited by jar, : original content hidden.
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

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subbie
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Message 24 of 26 (439356)
12-08-2007 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Coragyps
11-29-2007 6:06 PM


An update on Chris Comer
Update from NCSE

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 25 of 26 (439433)
12-08-2007 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Buzsaw
12-06-2007 7:38 PM


Re: ID and Creationism can only exist in an avoidance environment
quote:
The most blessed & free nation
What nation is that?
It can't be the US, since we lost the right to habeas corpus not too long ago.

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anglagard
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Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 26 of 26 (439545)
12-09-2007 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw
12-07-2007 10:04 AM


Re: Religious Test for Public Employees
Buzsaw writes:
The Bill Of Rights also calls for free and unabated exercise of religion both in and out of office to the extent that the founders had church in the halls of congress, instituted Bible and Watt's Hymnal in public schools etc. Now even the Ten Commandments which are inscripted in the capitol are forbidden in many public buildings. How does your religious test weigh in here?
Here are the pertinent parts of both the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the United States of America, aka the supreme law of the land direct from the National Archives website.
From Article VI:
quote:
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
The First Amendment to the Constitution:
quote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
So, how is my original question answered?
If no religious test "shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States," why should a religious test be applied to federal or even state government employees?
I think the intent of the founders is obvious.
You do realize, of course, these laws protect your freedom of religion, not your 'freedom' to impose your minority fundamentalist religion on others by force.
Edited by anglagard, : take out rant

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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