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nator
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Message 16 of 20 (439905)
12-10-2007 8:19 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by anastasia
12-10-2007 2:26 PM


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I AM getting better every day, and finally mentally and physically just about ready to debate it up. Thanks for thinking of me!
Oh my goodness! I had no idea it was something like that that was keeping you away.
My thoughts are with you and you have my sincere wish for a speedy, uneventful full recovery.

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Message 17 of 20 (439926)
12-10-2007 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
12-08-2007 2:37 AM


NJ,
NJ writes:
I will give a real contradiction that will test the very meaning of Biblical inerrancy.
I honestly do not agree that "ACTS 9:3-9" contradicts "ACTS 22:6-9". The information in both chapters, "ACTS 9:3-9" and "ACTS 22:6-9" is ambiguous.
Sound
The first describes that Saul' companions heard a sound but it does not say anything about understanding. The second one descibes that Saul' companions did not understand the voice but what did they hear? something heard.
Observation
The first one describes that Saul' companions did not see anyone but it does not describe what they did see. The second describes Saul' companions seeing a light but it does not describe if they did see anyone. something seen.
Conclusion
So, there is not enough information available in Acts to determine if Acts 9:3-9 contradicts Acts 22:6-9.
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Thank you

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jaywill
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Message 18 of 20 (440082)
12-11-2007 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Hyroglyphx
12-09-2007 1:23 PM


Re: The heart of the matter
If this is a masterpiece of God, then there should be no errors ever, right?
Well, I think wrong.
The word POEMA in Greek - "masterpiece" is spoken of in relation to the church in Ephesians (Eph. 2:10). I don't think it ever says that the books of the Bible are the masterpiece of God.
The copyists made errors. What we have as copies of the New Testament is adaquate.
Now I think that the reconciliation of the two accounts lies in the fact that those who were with Paul heard something but didn't understand it.
So they heard it but they didn't really hear it.
Compare to Mark 4:33 and 1 Cor. 14:2. They heard the voice but did not understand it, just as they beheld the light but saw no one (9:7).
I also compare it to another occasion when a supernatural speaking occured in John's gospel. Some heard speaking while others heard thunder:
The crowd therefore which stood by and heard it said that there had been thunder; others said, An angel has spoken to Him. Jesus answered and said, This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sake." (John 12:29)
The voice had said "I have glorified it [My name] and will glorify it again." (John 12:28)
Apparently God can send supernatural speaking into the atmosphere and tune it for the comprehension of some and to incomprehension of others. Some heard what they said was an angel speaking. Others heard only thunder.
In the book of Revelation also it says that out of the throne of God came forth voices and thunders (Rev. 4:5; 10:3;11:19). Since in the last days there will also be some supernatural proclaimation from angelic beings, then also probably some will hear voices and others will hear natural thunder.
See Revelation 14:6,7.
I think the problem is solved in this manner. In this case it was Saul of Tarsus alone perhaps, who was singled out to discriminate the words being spoken.
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Recon3rd
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Message 19 of 20 (460467)
03-15-2008 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
12-08-2007 2:37 AM


Nemesis Juggernaut said:
Which is it? Did they see the light, but not hear the voice, or did they hear the voice, but see the light?
If you are a diehard biblical literalist and ascribe to the latter definition of Biblical Inerrancy, I would say this presents a significant problem.
Anyone know how to reconcile this?
Well, I take somethings in Scripture as literal and some not. Here I see no contradiction.
1) And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. (Acts 9:7) KJV
2) And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. (Acts 22:9) KJV
1) The men hear A voice but see no man.
2) The men saw the light but they didn't hear the voice of the Lord.
1) 9:7 says, the men hear A voice but see no man. It doesn't mention any light.
2) 22:9 says, the men saw the light but did not hear the voice of the Lord.
Where's the contradiction?

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Buckfan328
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Message 20 of 20 (466228)
05-13-2008 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hyroglyphx
12-08-2007 2:37 AM


Don't see the contradiction
First set of verses says the men:
heard the "sound"
didn't see "anyone"
The second verse says:
saw the "light"
didn't "understand the voice"
"anyone" is not the same as "light"
"voice" is not the same as "sound"
Actually the verses seem to be making the same point, the men that were with him both saw and heard something (light and sound), but they were unable the interpret what the experienced (they didn't see a person or understand the voice). I am obviously doing some reading between the lines here but the principle for interpretation of a verse I am using is what was the author's intent? What was he trying to get across? In these verses, clearly the intent is to express the same message, the men saw, heard, but didn't understand. If that were the message, it is easily understandable that one might express it is slightly, but not mutually exclusive ways.

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