Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
6 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,815 Year: 3,072/9,624 Month: 917/1,588 Week: 100/223 Day: 11/17 Hour: 0/7


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Anyone else notice this pattern?
tesla
Member (Idle past 1593 days)
Posts: 1199
Joined: 12-22-2007


Message 16 of 318 (444511)
12-29-2007 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by tesla
12-29-2007 5:30 PM


Re: Postulating Poster Patterns
on a side note; i don't think doctors around here go to school at all.
doc: so whats wrong with you?
me: uh..i habe a code? and i trow ub.
doc: ok so what kind of medication do you think you need?
me: all dof it, wtf you spod to be de dock.
doc writes prescription, i go to the pharmacy and:
pharmacist: (after looking at the written prescription) so..what did the doctor say this was?
Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

This message is a reply to:
 Message 15 by tesla, posted 12-29-2007 5:30 PM tesla has not replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 17 of 318 (444515)
12-29-2007 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by jar
12-29-2007 9:52 AM


Re: Why Creationism is bankrupt.
jar writes:
One big reason that Creationism is bankrupt is shown in your statement that "OTOH The more educated and intelligent creationsists tend to go where their POV prevails and where they have more freedom to speak their mind in the science fora."
The way you learn is by having what you know challenged. Going where your point of view prevails is neither intelligent nor is it a way to become educated.
Oh ho! So that's your problem. By you're own admission you're too coddled here amongst your own ideological kind to get apprised and have what you know challenged. How about following your own advice to become intelligent and educated by moving on to a creationist board where you would need to take the heat as I do here.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 9 by jar, posted 12-29-2007 9:52 AM jar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 18 by jar, posted 12-29-2007 6:50 PM Buzsaw has replied

jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 18 of 318 (444517)
12-29-2007 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw
12-29-2007 6:41 PM


Re: Why Creationism is bankrupt.
Why Buz, do you think I don't get challenged here? And what makes you think I do not also visit other boards? Do you expect anyone to take that as anything other than another of your unsupportable assertions?
Just for your information though, let me tell you what happens at many Creationist and Christian boards. Unlike here, where you are allowed to post freely, the Creationist and Christian boards cannot stand questioning and critical thinking, and so they ban anyone that is not a member of the Christian Communion of Bobbleheads.

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 17 by Buzsaw, posted 12-29-2007 6:41 PM Buzsaw has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 21 by Buzsaw, posted 12-29-2007 7:16 PM jar has replied
 Message 31 by Phat, posted 12-30-2007 7:57 AM jar has not replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 19 of 318 (444523)
12-29-2007 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by nator
12-29-2007 1:44 PM


Re: Postulating Poster Patterns
nator writes:
He and you both, Buz, have abandoned so many posts and threads and ignored so many rebuttals!
NJ has already addressed the significant repetition/volumn.
In addition, the intelligence level of sooo much of which is thrown out at us by some notorious evolutionists on this board is too similar to the stuff orangutans throw at zoo spectators. It's in our best interest to move on and leave the stuff lay.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 11 by nator, posted 12-29-2007 1:44 PM nator has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 44 by nator, posted 01-06-2008 2:13 PM Buzsaw has not replied

Hyroglyphx
Inactive Member


Message 20 of 318 (444526)
12-29-2007 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Percy
12-29-2007 5:07 PM


Re: Postulating Poster Patterns
This is called the Black Knight syndrome, but I heartily agree about your and Buz's writing skills, right up there!
As someone commented above, sloppy writing often accompanies sloppy thinking, but not always, and contrariwise, even the most erudite among us often harbor at least a few wacky ideas.
I am not a juggernaut... I've just always like the ring it has to it! And yes, and speaking from probability, I no doubt am ultimately wrong about at least some belief that I ascribe to.
That said, I'm pretty sure I'm not all nuts and screws.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.

“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

This message is a reply to:
 Message 14 by Percy, posted 12-29-2007 5:07 PM Percy has not replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 21 of 318 (444527)
12-29-2007 7:16 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by jar
12-29-2007 6:50 PM


Re: Getting Challenged
jar writes:
Why Buz, do you think I don't get challenged here? And what makes you think I do not also visit other boards? Do you expect anyone to take that as anything other than another of your unsupportable assertions?
1. According to your own statement you don't get challenged on your own ideological turf.
2. How can you possibly engage in other fora when you're hyperactive somewhere close to 24/7 here? Do you have a keyboard on the breakfast and dinner table or do you actually leave it and take time out for meals?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 18 by jar, posted 12-29-2007 6:50 PM jar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 22 by jar, posted 12-29-2007 7:21 PM Buzsaw has replied
 Message 45 by nator, posted 01-06-2008 2:14 PM Buzsaw has not replied

jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 22 of 318 (444528)
12-29-2007 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Buzsaw
12-29-2007 7:16 PM


Re: Getting Challenged
1. According to your own statement you don't get challenged on your own ideological turf.
No Buz, according to YOUR statement.
2. How can you possibly engage in other fora when you're hyperactive somewhere close to 24/7 here? Do you have a keyboard on the breakfast and dinner table or do you actually leave it and take time out for meals?
I work on a computer.
The facts though is that my positions are quite often challenged. The difference is that EvC allows challenge while the Christian forums seem to fear it. That is what drives the avoidance schools and the home schooling trend.

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 21 by Buzsaw, posted 12-29-2007 7:16 PM Buzsaw has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 25 by Buzsaw, posted 12-29-2007 7:48 PM jar has replied

Tanypteryx
Member
Posts: 4344
From: Oregon, USA
Joined: 08-27-2006
Member Rating: 5.9


Message 23 of 318 (444530)
12-29-2007 7:35 PM


I just waded through the "Lake Varve Sediments and the Great Flood" discussion and it was painful. I do not know how you guys (Percy, jar, edge, anglagard and the rest) can interpret posts like the ones from reversespin.
for example from message #108
reversespin writes:
In respect to a kettle lake you have the topography like a bowl like say lake suitisu. I suspect more kettle lakes would have varves similar to lake suitsu only because of their topography in respect to how varves are being expressed do to the waves sweeping organics diatoms etc... from the watershed everytime you have a storm, so multitude of varves support the creationists young earth senerio because they are not all annual varves.
I think here your looking that all are annual varves however due to the topography it more like a miners bowl as the waves roll to shore how would not the currents not sweep pollen clays toward the center to be expressed as multitudes of varves as they sorted by liquefaction over the years. When the flood waters washed off the continents until the plants restablished the earth you could only have the watershed contributing to the varves being formed so what your looking at is the majority of those varves are not annual varves the last 5400 years since the biblical flood no doubt contributed additional varves.
and this from message #111
reversespin writes:
You have the russian study of siberian tropical plants living in the yucon pennisula, all dating less than 9760 years. Then you have the purdue university study expressing the artic sea temp not air temp was once 73 degrees F. thats only approximately 7 degrees cooler than the oceanwater at the equator today. The links if your interested are on Razd correlations thread but the point is Greenland ice cores could not of existed 9,760 years because tropical plants were thriving up in the Artic circle and nothing older than 9760 years was dated by 14 C dating in the yucan pennisula.
Its not as if the mountain of ice in greenland where the ice cores are taken is held up by granite mountains like ice capped mountains you might see in Seattle Washington, etc... The russian study and the purdue study raises questions how a mountain of ice could of existed if near tropical temperatures of the waters of the ocean even north of Greenland, etc...
P.S. I suspect those stories that the vickings inhabited a Greenland are more correct than the scientific myths that greenlands been a mountain of ice for 100's of thousands of years.
To me, these are not just poor writing skills, but almost completely incomprehensible. Could reversespin read what he wrote, out-loud, without bursting out laughing? Everything he wrote is gibberish.
It reminds me of trying to interpret what is written in many parts of the Bible. Maybe that is why they write that way?
I guess I'm just a dumb entomologist that can't understand their scientific language!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python
You can't build a Time Machine without Weird Optics -- S. Valley

Hyroglyphx
Inactive Member


Message 24 of 318 (444531)
12-29-2007 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by tesla
12-29-2007 5:30 PM


Re: Postulating Poster Patterns
scientist are better learned with more schooling than the average person. the higher education are more willing to accept Darwin theory to the letter, based on the scientific evidence which is broad.
It is a mistake to deify scientists, which all too many people on this forum, and the general public, are apt to do.
Any discipline has its experts in that particular field. And they no doubt deserve some credit for their hard won efforts.
But there is this wrong-headed philosophy that abounds concerning scientists -- that they are the be-all, end-all -- as if no other human being could possibly add anything of substance to any given debate.
For instance, I have a friend of mine who is a graduate of both MIT (Aeronautics) and CalTech (Chemical Engineering), arguably two of the most distinguished and prestigious technical universities in the nation, and possibly even the world. He now works with NASA, Boeing, Lockheed and Martin, etc. There is no discounting the man's genius.... in his field.
Consequently, he is also a man that couldn't compose a coherent sentence if his life depended on it, and who is practically incapable of tying his own shoelaces. He is socially clumsy, ignorant of most things beyond his field, mostly immature, and morally bankrupt.
I wouldn't take his advice on almost any subject because of his immaturity and on account that he knows almost nothing about the real world.
His field is one that has yielded a treasure trove of knowledge. There is no sense in withholding the praise that it deserves, but within reason. As we have seen throughout the centuries, knowledge begets knowledge, as one technological breakthrough gives credit to the one before it, and so on. But should I assume that he is better, or more intelligent than the rest of us because of his PhD's?
I should hope not.

“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

This message is a reply to:
 Message 15 by tesla, posted 12-29-2007 5:30 PM tesla has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 26 by tesla, posted 12-29-2007 7:48 PM Hyroglyphx has not replied
 Message 36 by Taz, posted 12-30-2007 8:09 PM Hyroglyphx has not replied
 Message 46 by nator, posted 01-06-2008 2:18 PM Hyroglyphx has not replied

Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 25 of 318 (444532)
12-29-2007 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by jar
12-29-2007 7:21 PM


Re: Getting Challenged
jar writes:
No Buz, according to YOUR statement.
The following quote is yours; not mine. The implication as per your statement below is to be challenged and learn by going where your POV is not prevalent.
The way you learn is by having what you know challenged. Going where your point of view prevails is neither intelligent nor is it a way to become educated.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 22 by jar, posted 12-29-2007 7:21 PM jar has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 27 by jar, posted 12-29-2007 7:57 PM Buzsaw has not replied

tesla
Member (Idle past 1593 days)
Posts: 1199
Joined: 12-22-2007


Message 26 of 318 (444534)
12-29-2007 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Hyroglyphx
12-29-2007 7:40 PM


Re: Postulating Poster Patterns
true.
yet to debate a science you have to understand the fundamentals or you'll be talking to renowned cosmologists about gravity and rocks spinning around mountains.
i acknowledge that science is open to debate, but patrons should have at least a basic knowledge of a topic before they choose to debate it.
Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

This message is a reply to:
 Message 24 by Hyroglyphx, posted 12-29-2007 7:40 PM Hyroglyphx has not replied

jar
Member (Idle past 394 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 27 of 318 (444535)
12-29-2007 7:57 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
12-29-2007 7:48 PM


Re: Getting Challenged
The following quote is yours; not mine. The implication as per your statement below is to be challenged and learn by going where your POV is not prevalent.
Yes. And that is what is so great about EvC. I do get challenged and learn something new every single day. I welcome and embrace challenge, I do not shy away from it or try to limit it.
That is why EvC is so different than the Creationist boards like Terry's. Here challenge is not just allowed, it is encouraged.
Look at how many times I've encouraged you to actually support your assertions.

Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 25 by Buzsaw, posted 12-29-2007 7:48 PM Buzsaw has not replied

Jon
Inactive Member


Message 28 of 318 (444544)
12-29-2007 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by nator
12-28-2007 8:57 PM


Others have already pointed this out, but in my linguistics class we spoke a little about the correlation between proper use of conjunctions and mental logic. It turns out that the more properly a person uses such things, the better his/her ability to process things in a logical manner.
I would assume that the correlation does indeed go further, as others have suggested, into areas of writing organization and thought organization, etc.
Anyway...

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by nator, posted 12-28-2007 8:57 PM nator has not replied

anglagard
Member (Idle past 836 days)
Posts: 2339
From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
Joined: 03-18-2006


Message 29 of 318 (444620)
12-30-2007 2:17 AM


This About Sums it Up
"I don't need a dictionary." - IAmJoseph
From Message 166
Interested parties may want to view previous posts for context.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

Phat
Member
Posts: 18262
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.1


Message 30 of 318 (444657)
12-30-2007 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Zawi
12-28-2007 9:23 PM


Communication, Education, and Willful Ignorance
Zawi writes:
The writing style of creationists doesn't necessarily betray a lack of education, it's just that their writing style is usually unclear. Rational thinkers are much more concerned with clarity than irrational thinkers.
I agree with you on that issue of clarity. When I came to EvC almost four years ago, my posts were quite sloppy and disorganized. I was in such a hurry to grab the soapbox and trumpet my vague and undefined beliefs that I stumbled all over myself in the presentation!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by Zawi, posted 12-28-2007 9:23 PM Zawi has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 32 by Buzsaw, posted 12-30-2007 11:58 AM Phat has not replied

Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024