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Author Topic:   Global Futurism. A discussion of impending issues
tesla
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Message 121 of 241 (444554)
12-29-2007 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by jar
12-29-2007 8:32 PM


Re: End Time Belief and Political Power
that's absurd. the chances are astronomical.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 122 of 241 (444562)
12-29-2007 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by tesla
12-29-2007 10:00 AM


Re: National Day of Prayer
*deleted content because it was too voluminous especially when it didn't answer the question.
Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : delete content

“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

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tesla
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Message 123 of 241 (444563)
12-29-2007 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Hyroglyphx
12-29-2007 9:02 PM


Re: National Day of Prayer
no...i meant of worldwide global issues of impending disaster like global warming....wow....thats.alot of uh..stuff. sorry not what i was referring

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 124 of 241 (444567)
12-29-2007 9:47 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by tesla
12-29-2007 9:10 PM


Re: National Day of Prayer
no...i meant of worldwide global issues of impending disaster like global warming....wow....thats.alot of uh..stuff. sorry not what i was referring
Dammit!!! I guess I should erase it then since it takes up so much space.
I guess I'm not sure what you are asking then... Can you elaborate?

“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman

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molbiogirl
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Message 125 of 241 (444570)
12-29-2007 10:02 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by tesla
12-29-2007 8:44 PM


Re: End Time Belief and Political Power
that's absurd.
Only the President can authorize a nuclear missile launch.
A military aide is near the president 24 hours a day with the football (the briefcase containing the codes and machinery to authorize launch of the United States' nuclear weapons). In the event of an act of war against the United States that would require a nuclear response, the president would turn to the aide and open the briefcase to initiate the protocols that authorize the military nuclear chain of command to launch strategic missiles at preselected enemy targets.
The president enters a personal-identification number (PIN) assigned to him by the National Security Agency (NSA), the service based at Fort Meade, Md., responsible for electronic intelligence and cryptography. That PIN allows the president to authenticate himself as the commander in chief. The authentication code generated through the PIN proves to military leaders and the men on the nuclear platforms that the order is genuine and that the president has activated the launch-authorization codes to let fly the missiles.
http://findarticles.com/...cles/mi_m1571/is_7_17/ai_72328612
The launch happens within minutes.
You wanna point out where in that scenario someone might intervene? Aside from wholesale mutiny, I mean.

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tesla
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Message 126 of 241 (444573)
12-29-2007 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by molbiogirl
12-29-2007 10:02 PM


Re: End Time Belief and Political Power
yes but as the article points out: not exclusively.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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tesla
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Message 127 of 241 (444582)
12-29-2007 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Hyroglyphx
12-29-2007 9:47 PM


impending issues
I guess I'm not sure what you are asking then... Can you elaborate?
~nemesis juggernaut~
i believe that the impending issues facing a real threat to mankind would be :
1: global warming (or more pointedly, the effects of it)
2: undocumented mass slamming the planet
I'm just wondering what other "annihilation" scenarios there are that can be proven? and if proven, how do we potentially prepare to avoid them given awareness?
Edited by tesla, : changed subtitle

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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molbiogirl
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Message 128 of 241 (444586)
12-29-2007 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by tesla
12-29-2007 10:09 PM


Re: End Time Belief and Political Power
yes but as the article points out: not exclusively.
Wrong. The President, alone, makes the decision. Period. End of sentence.

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tesla
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Message 129 of 241 (444587)
12-29-2007 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by molbiogirl
12-29-2007 11:06 PM


impending issues
if you are willing to believe that, you should go to The White House and submit the question. that the possibility, that a president could be taken over by a fit of mental illness, permitting that the potential exists for world annihilation under the "exclusive" ability of the president to launch multiple nuclear missiles.
however, i believe the sharing of powers designed in our government make such an assertion silly.
Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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molbiogirl
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Message 130 of 241 (444588)
12-29-2007 11:46 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by tesla
12-29-2007 11:14 PM


Article didn't say what you thought it did, huh, Tesla?
however, i believe the sharing of powers designed in our government make such an assertion silly.
To repeat: the balance of power HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A NUCLEAR LAUNCH.
The President has exclusive authority.
If you think otherwise, prove it.
ABE:
In the past, command and control of nuclear weapons was in the hands of dozens of people.
In the 1950s, Ike predelegated launch authority to top military commanders.
The situation remained unchanged until the 1980s.
Which means: for over 30 years, dozens of people had the ability to initiate worldwide thermonuclear war.
The documents show that in January 1963, McNamara told other U.S. officials that he worried that a designated commander might confuse an accidental nuclear launch or explosion with an all-out attack. This problem convinced him only the President should "decide to launch in response to an apparent nuclear attack."
19980319
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tesla
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Message 131 of 241 (444591)
12-29-2007 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by molbiogirl
12-29-2007 11:46 PM


impending issues
DEFCON DEFense CONdition - United States Nuclear Forces
seriously, write a letter to the whitehouse.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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molbiogirl
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Posts: 1909
From: MO
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Message 132 of 241 (444592)
12-29-2007 11:57 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by tesla
12-29-2007 11:53 PM


Grow up, Tesla.
DEFCON status has nothing to do with the decision to launch.
And the command and control procedures are classified you ninny.
All we know, and all we will know, is that the President has SOLE COMMAND.

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tesla
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Posts: 1199
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Message 133 of 241 (444593)
12-30-2007 12:08 AM
Reply to: Message 132 by molbiogirl
12-29-2007 11:57 PM


impending issues
i refuse to believe that. it would go against the purpose of shareing power. i don't see congress allowing one person to be able to initiate a multiple nuclear attack no questions asked.
i will submit for documentation for you, but it may take a couple days before it will be available. no promises.
Edited by tesla, : sumbiting.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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molbiogirl
Member (Idle past 2641 days)
Posts: 1909
From: MO
Joined: 06-06-2007


Message 134 of 241 (444596)
12-30-2007 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 133 by tesla
12-30-2007 12:08 AM


Re: impending issues
Your belief, of lack thereof, have no bearing on the truth of the matter at hand.
I suggest you read the link I provided:
Recently declassified U.S. government documents, now published by the National Security Archive, disclose one of the Cold War's deepest secrets, that during the most dangerous phases of the U.S.-Soviet confrontation during the early 1960s top military commanders had presidentially-authorized instructions providing advance authority to use nuclear weapons under specified emergency conditions. The documents show that President Eisenhower approved "predelegation" instructions in late 1959 so that top commanders would have the authority to make a rapid nuclear response if a Soviet attack on Washington killed national command authorities, such as the President. The instructions remained in place in "basically the same" form through the 1960s, although information on the later period and the current situation is still classified.
ABE:
Nuclear Command and Control (NC2). The exercise of authority and direction by the President, as Commander in Chief, through established command lines, over nuclear weapon operations of military forces; as Chief Executive over all Government activities that support those operations; and as Head of State over required multinational actions that support those operations. Authority and direction are exercised through the NCCS.
http://www.fas.org/...guide/usa/doctrine/dod/dodd-3150_6.htm
Edited by molbiogirl, : No reason given.
Edited by molbiogirl, : No reason given.

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tesla
Member (Idle past 1592 days)
Posts: 1199
Joined: 12-22-2007


Message 135 of 241 (444598)
12-30-2007 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by molbiogirl
12-30-2007 12:12 AM


Re: impending issues
that's some pretty old documentation. I'm not willing to trust it.
i don't believe if it did apply at all, that it applies today.
Ive submitted an inquiry to the whitehouse.
however, i still don't believe its a realistic threat.
Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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