What does promoting marriage lead to that you would consider detrimental to society?
The societal acceptance of homosexuality which perverts the natural order of God's law.
the rest of your "examples" are irrelevant to marriage.
They aren't irrelevant. If they are irrelevant in establishing a baseline, then spousal abuse is also irrelevant.
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:You can be monogamous without marriage.
It is an awful lot harder, though. Don't you agree?
I do agree, but you are asking me to exonerate a greater sin out of a lesser one.
The institution of marriage is vital to promoting monogamy and stable families. Surely you aren't going to contest that, are you?
No. And certainly stable families include mothers and fathers. Wouldn't you agree?
Psychology is a big, big field, remember.
Big or not, you have to crawl before you can walk.
So, how come "culture" can't turn gay people straight?
For the same reason that cutters have a hard time stopping despite the cultural fau pax. Sometimes people ask, "
Why would anyone choose to be gay?" Why would anyone choose any number of abnormal things? Some people search ways to be different, as if it were a little badge of courage.
It didn't work for Ted Haggerd, did it?
Ted Haggard is has serious unresolved issues that he needs to deal with.
Look, Juggs, you have to stop thinking of sexuality is such either/or terms. Just about every trait in a population can be plotted on a bell curve distribution, and I don't see why sexuality should be much different. ...especially considering the very strong social bonding role sex has in our species.
Then pedophilia is a trait that cannot be stopped. Its innate. If it that is so, then we can't very well ask them to stop what is normal, can we? You can't stop rapists because they are simply following their instincts. Monkeys don't ask for permission, especially the alpha male. Do see where I'm going with this? You can't act as if people are incapable of controlling themselves. By doing this, you alleviate responsibility, which in turn makes for a very unhealthy society.
Same thing with interracial marriage. Most people were "wierded out" by that concept as well. So what?
That was a relative recent turn in history. Its a distortion that only lasted a little while, consequently, due to societal influence. Some people honestly believe that slaves were taken from Africa because they were black instead of the obvious answer, that slave merchants were opportunists. Anyone who couldn't defend themselves was subject to the slave master's tyranny.
But even when these racist ideologies started popping up, prominent members of society payed no heed to it. Even Thomas Jefferson slept with his own slaves.
The point is, terrorizing a group for certain behaviors is apt to have a chilling effect upon the behaviors. Remove the terrorist threats, and the behavior that was repressed will be more freely expressed.
I wholeheartedly agree that the singling out of homosexuals over their perceived sin with more ferocity than any other sexual sin by Christians or, whomever, is wrong. However, simply stating why someone does not agree with the notion that homosexuality is perfectly natural doesn't constitute terrorism, nor does it constitute "homophobia."
if you read any history, you know that they have always been there. Repressed and persecuted, but there.
That's like saying adulterers have been repressed and persecuted. That's like saying pedophiles have been repressed and persecuted. That's like saying rapists have been repressed and persecuted. The belief, among various cultures, is that homosexuality is an aberration. They are entitled to that belief just as the avowed homosexual is entitled to disagree.
They probably believed that due to the bigoted and homophobic society in which they lived.
Why are the purchasers of pornogrpahy discreet? Surely it can't be because society has rejected it, since the porn industry have profited over it more than all professional sports combined. It is because somewhere in their heart of hearts, they know it is less than virtuous.
Can you explain to me without using the a religious argument, why homosexuality is immoral?
LOL! Can you explain why anything is immoral aside from invoking God? Maybe you can tell me why anything is to be considered immoral that will make a lick of sense from a naturalistic point-of-view. The irreligious often borrow Christian-Judeo concepts of morality in order to denude all of Christian-Judeo ethics. Its obviously oxymoronic.
How is being gay similar to adultery? Please explain.
They are both forms of sexual sin.
I can't think of any, other than religious and gay-hating people possibly getting so angry and fearful about their fading ability to dictate to other people what to do and how to live that they become desperate and violent.
There is no reason for anything apart from the very source of all that is.
Why aren't there any reprocussions? Maybe becasue it is a good thing.
Why is it, good? What is inherently good about it?
“First dentistry was painless, then bicycles were chainless, and carriages were horseless, and many laws enforceless. Next cookery was fireless, telegraphy was wireless, cigars were nicotineless, and coffee caffeineless. Soon oranges were seedless, the putting green was weedless, the college boy was hatless, the proper diet -- fatless. New motor roads are dustless, the latest steel is rustless, our tennis courts are sodless, our new religion -- Godless” -Arthur Guiterman
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