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Granny Magda
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Message 106 of 318 (450132)
01-20-2008 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by pelican
01-19-2008 6:55 PM


Re: ????????????????????????????????????
quote:
Many of these posts are condescending and infer inferiority.
  —dameeva
No, they imply inferiority. Common mistake.
Edited by Granny Magda, : Typo.

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pelican
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Message 107 of 318 (450160)
01-21-2008 1:44 AM
Reply to: Message 106 by Granny Magda
01-20-2008 10:32 PM


Re: ????????????????????????????????????
No, they imply inferiority. Common mistake.
I think you understood perfectly well what I meant so why the need to correct me, if indeed you did? Haven't you something to say about the condescending attitude and the inferrence of inferiority?

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pelican
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Message 108 of 318 (450161)
01-21-2008 1:56 AM
Reply to: Message 104 by nator
01-20-2008 9:51 AM


nator writes:
That's crap, I do believe.
nator writes:
Do not confuse lack of agreement with lack of understanding.
Is your first quote lack of agreement or lack of understanding? What is crap apart from your response? If you already believe it's crap why should I spend my time trying to convince you otherwise?
You can drag a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Edited by dameeva, : No reason given.

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pelican
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Message 109 of 318 (450165)
01-21-2008 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by molbiogirl
01-20-2008 9:39 PM


shoe on the other foot
Seriously, dameeva. You've over reached here.
Did you decipher Heinriks post? You ignored that one. Did my post insult you? Well maybe now you know how others feel with your condescending attitude. Try a bit harder to communicate with those who are not as articulate as you. You might learn something.

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nator
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Message 110 of 318 (450177)
01-21-2008 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by pelican
01-21-2008 1:44 AM


Re: ????????????????????????????????????
I don't care if you think I'm condecending.
I do not deny that I am coming right out and saying that Riverrat's command of the english language is inferior. It is so inferior that it gets in the way of clear communication.
Thank you for restating the OP so succinctly.

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riVeRraT
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Message 111 of 318 (450193)
01-21-2008 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by nator
01-16-2008 10:49 PM


Re: Working At Improvement
I can't help but notice, rat, that you've dropped your "Educated people don't know how to turn a screwdriver." argument like a hot potato. Why is that? Is it because you realized that your conclusion was based upon poor logic and a failure to consider the self-selected nature of your sample; educated people with money as opposed to poor people who can't afford you?
I have not dropped it. There is no need to go further on it, because everyone here understands me perfectly.
Rat, come on now. If my comprehension is wrong, then it is your job to correct me.
That is the precise reason why we go back and forth so much.
If, in the course of that correction, you paint yourself into a logical corner and contradict yourself, as so often happens, then who's fault is that?
When you drift off topic, and start in with all the BS, do not mistake that for me "painting myself into a logical corner".
Plus painting myself into a logical corner, has nothing to do with you understanding me. This response right here just shows how you drift off topic. You are using my reasoning of logic to show that I can't write or express myself clearly. Being wrong, and being articulate, are two different things. The topic is about peoples literacy, not their logic. You've drifted off your own topic.
I never "related" to Faith in any way whatsoever. I never understood how she could possibly come to the conclusions she did, and her reasoning was often really ridiculous.
Exactly, that is my point. This is what you expect from most believers. Believing in God, does not follow many logical patterns, so you have labeled it illogical. Then started a thread to further show how these believers can't even express themselves. So for you it all comes down to logic. I have to tell you that before I believed in God, many of the things told to me, and what I read in the bible, seemed illogical to me. So many believers understand where you are coming from .
The only thing any of us have to go on here is what we read, you know.
No. The only thing you have to go on, is what I write, and the environment that you were brought up in. That is where the prejudice comes in. Prejudice is not always a bad thing, but it stops us from seeing things the way they really are. Then many people here try to cover it up with the word logic. Logic by itself is objective, and unbiased, but when applied by people like you, in these deep situations, logic becomes subjective.
I find many people here who label themselves as "logical" adding way to much emotion into what they say, and believe. There are no "Dr. Spocks" here.

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riVeRraT
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Message 112 of 318 (450194)
01-21-2008 9:07 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by purpledawn
01-18-2008 5:41 AM


Re: Working At Improvement
Each thread should be a new beginning, no baggage.
That is like asking people to forgive and forget. Something you would be hard pressed to see happen here. I am glad you noticed it too, thank you.

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riVeRraT
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Message 113 of 318 (450196)
01-21-2008 9:11 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by nator
01-21-2008 7:43 AM


Re: ????????????????????????????????????
I do not deny that I am coming right out and saying that Riverrat's command of the english language is inferior. It is so inferior that it gets in the way of clear communication.
Can you show me one thing in this thread that I did not express clearly?
Or wrote so poorly that you could not understand it?
If not, then you need to concede.

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Rahvin
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Message 114 of 318 (450202)
01-21-2008 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by pelican
01-21-2008 2:19 AM


Re: shoe on the other foot
Did you decipher Heinriks post? You ignored that one. Did my post insult you? Well maybe now you know how others feel with your condescending attitude. Try a bit harder to communicate with those who are not as articulate as you. You might learn something.
It has been my experience that the vast majority of those who cry and whine about a "condescending tone" also have a vastly inferior understanding of the subject material.
Do you honestly expect anything other than a condescending tone when explaining for the hundredth time information taught in Junior High science classes to a Creationist who just won't get it?
How many times have we had to correct Creationists who even use scientific terms incorrectly after having them explained to them in the same thread, let alone all of the threads before that?
When speaking from a position of superior knowledge of science to one whose proficiency in that arena is less than that of a teenage child and who yet purports to be able to refute virtually the entire body of scientific theory, condescension is inevitable.
I honestly couldn't care less if you're offended by such a tone. I'm offended that people try to argue against science from ignorance, and believe that such ignorance is a good thing.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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molbiogirl
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Message 115 of 318 (450310)
01-21-2008 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by Rahvin
01-21-2008 9:46 AM


Re: shoe on the other foot
How many times have we had to correct Creationists who even use scientific terms incorrectly after having them explained to them in the same thread, let alone all of the threads before that?
Yes, Rahvin, YES.
Juggs is infamous for just that. As are a bunch of other creos. Actually, now that I think about it, it's the rare creo who acknowledges his error!
When speaking from a position of superior knowledge of science to one whose proficiency in that arena is less than that of a teenage child and who yet purports to be able to refute virtually the entire body of scientific theory, condescension is inevitable.
I honestly couldn't care less if you're offended by such a tone. I'm offended that people try to argue against science from ignorance, and believe that such ignorance is a good thing.
Ditto.

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ringo
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Message 116 of 318 (450316)
01-21-2008 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by molbiogirl
01-21-2008 2:48 PM


Re: shoe on the other foot
molbiogirl writes:
Actually, now that I think about it, it's the rare creo who acknowledges his error!
Maybe they're just doing what PD suggested, not carrying baggage from on thread to another - only they're extending it to individual posts. Every post is a clean slate.

“If you had half a brain, wouldn't you have realized after the second time, that it was you, not God?” -- riVeRraT (see context here)
“The endearing controvertist! One needs to become acute in the ploys of his kind.” -- ThreeDogs

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Granny Magda
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Message 117 of 318 (450342)
01-21-2008 4:48 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by pelican
01-21-2008 1:44 AM


Re: ????????????????????????????????????
I think you understood perfectly well what I meant so why the need to correct me, if indeed you did? Haven't you something to say about the condescending attitude and the inferrence {sic} of inferiority?
I normally don't correct people on such matters, where it is not important for the discussion. However, if you are going to complain about implied accusations of ignorance on your part, it is probably best if you don't include stupid mistakes in your complaint. It undermines your argument somewhat.
If you doubt that my correction is itself correct, go and look up infer and imply in a dictionary.

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pelican
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Message 118 of 318 (450355)
01-21-2008 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by nator
01-21-2008 7:43 AM


full of it
It's good that you admit you are condescending but maybe you are confusing it with being judgmental, or maybe you are both. I don't care either, I don't have much to do with those of your superior attitude when you don't understand a goddamn thing about the effect you have on others. It's called EMPATHY. Did you study that in your fine education?
If this sounds angry, it is. I don't have much empathy or understanding for you and this is the effect you have on those who don't take kindly to your attitude.
What are you people trying to prove??????????????????

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faust 
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Message 119 of 318 (450360)
01-21-2008 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by pelican
01-21-2008 5:13 PM


Re: full of it
quote:
It's good that you admit you are condescending but maybe you are confusing it with being judgmental, or maybe you are both. I don't care either, I don't have much to do with those of your superior attitude when you don't understand a goddamn thing about the effect you have on others. It's called EMPATHY. Did you study that in your fine education?
If this sounds angry, it is. I don't have much empathy or understanding for you and this is the effect you have on those who don't take kindly to your attitude.
What are you people trying to prove??????????????????
Sympathy would probably be more accurate.

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Rahvin
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Message 120 of 318 (450364)
01-21-2008 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by pelican
01-21-2008 5:13 PM


Re: full of it
It's good that you admit you are condescending but maybe you are confusing it with being judgmental, or maybe you are both. I don't care either, I don't have much to do with those of your superior attitude when you don't understand a goddamn thing about the effect you have on others. It's called EMPATHY. Did you study that in your fine education?
If this sounds angry, it is. I don't have much empathy or understanding for you and this is the effect you have on those who don't take kindly to your attitude.
What are you people trying to prove??????????????????
It's not our fault if you feel inferior when being told you're wrong. When someone says the Earth is 6000 years old and backs it up by saying radiometric dating is wrong without any evidence for that, or uses the word "theory" incorrectly for the fiftieth time in two pages, or otherwise demonstrates that they don;t even have the barest comprehension of the subject matter they are arguing against, the rest of us will correct them.
If we sound condescending in doing so, well...this is a debate forum. If being on the losing end of a debate hurts your widdle feelings, feel free to not participate.
There is a difference between avoiding attacking an individual and making a person "feel bad." Telling people the Bible is full of inaccuracies and outright mythology offends quite a few people here, and misuse of scientific terms offends others. Whether one party feels bad after the argument is concluded is irrelevant to whether one side is correct or not.
Offense is irrelevant. Empathy is irrelevant. Your anger is irrelevant. All that matters is the argument. The best way to combat someone you feel is being condescending or offensive is to prove them wrong.

Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.

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