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Author Topic:   The impossibility of infinite ability..aka "god"
Am5n 
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Message 12 of 94 (449968)
01-20-2008 1:16 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Hyroglyphx
01-19-2008 11:23 PM


Re: Limiting God to materialism
What do you expect NJ, He's a Naturalist...
1)One versed in natural history, especially in zoology or botany.
2)One who believes in and follows the tenets of naturalism.
Naturalism is any of several philosophical stances, typically those descended from materialism and pragmatism, that do not distinguish the supernatural (including strange entities like non-natural values, and universals as they are commonly conceived) from nature. Naturalism does not necessarily claim that phenomena or hypotheses commonly labeled as supernatural do not exist or are wrong, but insists that all phenomena and hypotheses can be studied by the same methods and therefore anything considered supernatural is either nonexistent or not inherently different from natural phenomena or hypotheses.
Any method of inquiry or investigation or any procedure for gaining knowledge that limits itself to natural, physical, and material approaches and explanations can be described as naturalistic.
Many modern philosophers of science use the terms methodological naturalism or scientific naturalism to refer to the long standing convention in science of the scientific method, which makes the methodological assumption that observable effects in nature are best explainable only by natural causes, without reference to, or an assumption of, the existence or non-existence of supernatural notions. They contrast this with the approach known as ontological naturalism or metaphysical naturalism, which refers to the metaphysical belief that the natural world (including the universe) is all that exists, and therefore nothing supernatural exists.
This distinction between approaches to the philosophy of naturalism is made by philosophers supporting science and evolution in the creation-evolution controversy to counter the tendency of some proponents of Creationism or intelligent design to refer to methodological naturalism as scientific materialism or as methodological materialism and conflate it with metaphysical naturalism. These proponents of creationism use this assertion to support their claim that modern science is atheistic, and contrast it with their preferred approach of a revived natural philosophy which welcomes supernatural explanations for natural phenomena and supports "theistic science" or pseudoscience.
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Metaphysical naturalism, which is often called "philosophical naturalism" or "ontological naturalism", takes an ontological approach to naturalism. Ontology is a branch of metaphysics that studies being, and so this is the view that the supernatural does not exist, thus entailing strong atheism.
He seems to be entailing strong atheism and probably doesn't have an open mind, therefor his only purpose for this topic is, he might want to get people to question their faith, but he's made up his mind already to reject the possibility of there actually being a supernatural being, thus I feel as though, if we tried to question his "theories", it'll simply go in 1 ear and out the other.
ps: The last paragraph is only about, that of what I think He is doing and portraying, though it serves a purpose: The Naturalist should try and explain his argument in a way, that everyone can understand, because he seems to think he's making sense, though, he is only making sense to a Naturalist point of view. just so you know TN, "we're not all Natural Scientist", nor are you making any sense. You seem to be only making sense to the supporters of Darwinism and Evolution.
sincerely yours, Amen.

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Am5n 
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Message 38 of 94 (450221)
01-21-2008 11:02 AM


TN writes:
Even if god is everywhere, he would still have to move to cause something to happen.
Thats only your opinion. Shouldn't you be trying to convince us why God doesn't have the ability to do shit? better yet why don't you explain to us what you believe in.
ps: oh I'm sorry, it's been already noted that "you believe in Naturalism".
ICANT writes:
Colo 1:17 (KJS) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Nice choice of verse brother ICANT.
Ringo writes:
Doesn't matter a bit what makes sense to you. Your job here is to convince us.
He doesn't seem to be doing too good of a job.
jar writes:
If GOD created the Universe through an act of will alone, why would GOD have to move to accomplish something?
better yet TN, why would God have to move to accomplish anything?
tesla writes:
scientist:I do not claim to know why God does what he does, i am simply making an observation.
I stand by this too. I do not claim to know why God does what he does, but I can only hope it is for the best.
TN writes:
Apparently, god cant do shit. Hes worthless
[sarcasm]Well thats a good argument.[/sarcasm]
as you can see a lot of the replies given to this thread, show that, God is considered to be capitalized[person,place,and thing(aka: mostly everything)]. God is my Homie G, I worship God fool. I be representing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Da King of Kings & Lord of Lords. pce out sucka!
sincerely yours, Amen.
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Am5n 
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Message 91 of 94 (451699)
01-28-2008 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by TheNaturalist
01-22-2008 6:20 PM


TN writes:
how can "god" do the impossible?
Because, He is God.
TN writes:
Does the word "impossible" then, not have a definition anymore, since it, whatever it is, would be possible with "god"?
Your mind enables you to decide what is possible and what is not possible[aka impossible]. If you put your hand in a flaming stove, would you or wouldn't you feel pain? If you cut your hand, will it not bleed? would you not feel pain?
We are people... in this world, there are limitations. Our mind & body have limits.. a person with a life has certain limits. We have a limit on time,life,food,and even oil. People can imagine anything they want, but, it doesn't mean everything you think might be possible, might actually be possible. Remember TN, even other Naturalists know their limitations.
TN writes:
Moreover, all you guys are doing is saying statements which are supposed to be fact, but on analysis, dont make sense.
I take the bible literally, and I consider it to be Factual evidence and proves that there is a God. Just because it doesn't seem to make any sense to you, that doesn't change the fact, on what I believe.
You can call me stupid, you could even call me ignorant, but the reality of it all is plain to see,"I don't care what you think of me and I don't care what you believe". Now TN, just because you think there isn't any evidence to prove that there actually is a God, that doesn't mean there isn't any, nor would it be impossible to find.
If I tell myself, that my bible is proof, that there is indeed a God and You tell me it isn't, Who am I going to believe? its obvious to know that I would choose to believe what I want to believe and there's nothing you can do to change my mind. You wanna know why? cause I set certain limits and these limits limit your ability to change my mind. So in the end, I would actually make it impossible for you to change my mind.
Let me ask you some questions TN.
Do you honestly consider God to bow down before his own creation?
Is it so hard for someone to actually admit that, even thee who roams this world, thee who is above all the creatures, Shall thy bow to thee creator?
I was told that, the word mother to a child, is considered to be equal to that of a word, such as "God". Does not a child look at his mother and see how much she has sacrifice for him/her? Should that child be the up most grateful to the mother?
sincerely yours, Amen.
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Am5n 
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Message 93 of 94 (451864)
01-28-2008 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by tesla
01-28-2008 7:20 PM


Re: welcome back
well thank you tesla, but for some reason, I have a feeling someone on here, an atheist or perhaps an Evolutionist seems to be banning me, even though I've changed, yet he seems to be banning me because of something quite personal, whatever it is I can tell you 1 thing, it has nothing to do with breaking rules, more or less he's the 1 breaking the forum rules. Oh well, He's probably a coward. have you noticed, that every time I'm suspended, they seem to not put a reason. I mean shouldn't you suspend a user then put down a reason?
My opinion: I think its moose.
Quite frankly tesla, I've changed, though try and convince someone other wise, who in my opinion is abusing the limits of his authority. I don't really mean for anyone to try and convince him otherwise, he might ban those people too. you people might as well leave this site, the admins can't even control this site, not to mention their becoming abusive and some people are actually trying to make up excuses for what the admin has done.
If percy wont even reply to my email, what makes you think he'll allow people on here to keep on voicing their opinion about how he's wrecking the site? He obviously doesn't care about what you have to say, if its something he doesnt like, he'll just ban you.
sincerely yours, Amen.

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