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ICANT
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Message 31 of 302 (452232)
01-29-2008 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Creationista
01-29-2008 3:23 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
Hi Creationista,

Welcome to EvC

Why did you not explain that the two verses you were quoting was concerning speaking in other tongues.


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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teen4christ
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Message 32 of 302 (452233)
01-29-2008 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Dr Adequate
01-29-2008 7:03 PM


Re: Lessons In Humility
I used to spend hours reading those quotations and tracking down the quoted people. Sometimes, I have to wonder if a lot of them are nothing more than trolls. It's hard to imagine anyone that ignorant yet so arrogant.
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teen4christ
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Message 33 of 302 (452235)
01-29-2008 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by ICANT
01-29-2008 7:21 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
quote:
Why did you not explain that the two verses you were quoting was concerning speaking in other tongues.

For a moment, let's assume that we are talking about speaking in tongues. Are you saying that men are allowed to speak in tongues in church but women are not?

But anyway, let's look at the whole chapter.

quote:
1 Corinthians 14

Gifts of Prophecy and Tongues

1Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit. 3But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. 4He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5I would like every one of you to speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.

6Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in tongues, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction? 7Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning. 11If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me. 12So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.

13For this reason anyone who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret what he says. 14For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind. 16If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying? 17You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified.

18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.

20Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. 21In the Law it is written:
"Through men of strange tongues
and through the lips of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.

22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and some who do not understand or some unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or someone who does not understand comes in while everybody is prophesying, he will be convinced by all that he is a sinner and will be judged by all, 25and the secrets of his heart will be laid bare. So he will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, "God is really among you!"

Orderly Worship

26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church. 27If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.

29Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33For God is not a God of disorder but of peace.
As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

36Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? 37If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command. 38If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

39Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.


I don't see anything there that would drastically change the fact that women are not allowed to speak in church and that it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.

Edited by teen4christ, : fixed db problems


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bluegenes
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Message 34 of 302 (452237)
01-29-2008 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Hill Billy
01-28-2008 11:41 PM


Hill Billy writes:

Evolutionists feel superior.

All of them? Does this mean that they think that they are an elite that will go to eternal heaven, unlike those who don't share their beliefs? Or is that someone else?:)

They value education above all else and because they have education their positions have more value, their words have more value, even their Kwikie Marts are better.

There are "evolutionists" who are educated at every level, from high school drop out to College Professor. While it could well be true that the higher up the formal education ladder, the more likely an individual would be to be an "evolutionist", I'm sure there's not a clear cut division of any sort.

It seems that evolutionists come here to debate motivated by a desire to crush their opponents and wallow in their superiority, while creationists come to debate out of a sincere concern for our souls. After all, is it not written that " Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all living." Genesis 3:20.

So you feel that creationists are morally and spiritually superior to evolutionists, it seems.

Creationists think they know God.Evolutionists think they know everything.

Biologists do research because they think they know everything?

So the questions are:

1. How did evolutionists come to the conclusion that they are more valuable people?

Are you sure it isn't the ones who are going to heaven and telling others that they won't be who are deceiving themselves about their value? Have you really thought this through?

2. What might the future implications of this trend be?

(I'd say things don't look so good for the evolushun of us hillbillies.)

You won't be extinct for a while yet, I'm sure. After all, the flat earth society still exists to show us that faith can be a very powerful force against evidence based observation.

Most likely, due to cultural evolution, your descendants in the next few generations will mutate into evolutionists.


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ICANT
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Message 35 of 302 (452245)
01-29-2008 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by teen4christ
01-29-2008 7:29 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
Hi t4c,

teen4christ writes:

I don't see anything there that would drastically change the fact that women are not allowed to speak in church and that it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in church.

I can't find where Paul changed subjects from speaking in tongues, interperting, or the prophets speaking to anything else.
So you are saying because Paul said it was a shame for a woman to speak in tongues, interpet tongues, or speak as a prophet he said they could not speak at all in the church.

Live and learn everyday.

Have fun,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Dr Adequate
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Message 36 of 302 (452248)
01-29-2008 8:43 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by ICANT
01-29-2008 8:21 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
So you are saying because Paul said it was a shame for a woman to speak in tongues, interpet tongues, or speak as a prophet he said they could not speak at all in the church.

No, that's not what teen4christ is saying, as you could find out by looking at what he actually said.

Nor is it what St Paul said, as you could find out by looking at what he actually said.

Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.


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Hill Billy
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Message 37 of 302 (452254)
01-29-2008 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by teen4christ
01-29-2008 6:57 PM


This isn't even brown!
Teen4Christ,do you expect me to take you seriously?
"Educated" people debate with each other honestly and in good faith.
Come on, I mean this statement is as preposterous as sayin something like, oh I don't know, maybe

"Evolutionists feel superior."

Then you follow with this.

"Uneducated" people seem to only be able to nitpick the semantics,
So perhaps educated folk do feel superior.


"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.
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Hill Billy
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Message 38 of 302 (452256)
01-29-2008 9:23 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by teen4christ
01-29-2008 7:21 PM


Re: Lessons In Humility
It's hard to imagine anyone that ignorant yet so arrogant.
No need for imagination here.


"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.
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Message 39 of 302 (452258)
01-29-2008 9:27 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Hill Billy
01-29-2008 9:16 PM


So perhaps educated folk do feel superior.

We certainly feel better educated.


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Hill Billy
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Message 40 of 302 (452259)
01-29-2008 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by CK
01-29-2008 4:10 PM


Re: Refill please.
so who were you?
Why, I was the one observing and recording the events, of course.


"Some people spout bullshit just to hear their own heads rattle" Grampa Frame.
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Hill Billy
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Message 41 of 302 (452260)
01-29-2008 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Modulous
01-29-2008 4:51 PM


I don't think I am more valuable to you than you are to yourself.
Thats a refreshing attitude round these parts.
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Hill Billy
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Message 42 of 302 (452261)
01-29-2008 9:38 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Quetzal
01-29-2008 6:17 PM


Re: This coffee is cold
Ah well. Whatever. I guess you'll just have to find some other fool to chase you around.
No worries. There seems to be an endless supply.
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Hill Billy
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Message 43 of 302 (452263)
01-29-2008 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by ICANT
01-29-2008 5:25 PM


Re: Re-Value
Hill Billy if you read this Modulous is very valuable.
If you think the way I do then he is equally valuable.
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Hill Billy
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Message 44 of 302 (452264)
01-29-2008 9:45 PM
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01-29-2008 7:31 PM


Most likely, due to cultural evolution, your descendants in the next few generations will mutate into evolutionists.
Exactly! Sort of. Added by edit: Sorry. You deserve better. I'll get back to you.

Edited by Hill Billy, : No reason given.


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Message 45 of 302 (452265)
01-29-2008 10:04 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by ICANT
01-29-2008 8:21 PM


Re: This ain't coffee, it's cold brown water.
ICANT, are you trying to be ironic? Because I can't tell if you intended or not to be ironic.

T4C even quoted the whole chapter for you. Paul didn't say women couldn't speak in tongues in the church. He said they couldn't speak at all in church. What part of the following quote don't you understand?

quote:
As in all the congregations of the saints, 34women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. 35If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

Even if Paul was only forbidding women to speak in tongues in churches... you figure out the rest.

But clearly, according to the texts, Paul was clearly referring to women speaking at all in church. What part of "it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church" don't you understand? Paul didn't say "it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in tongues in the church".

You're a christian. You should really really read your own bible rather than make us atheists read them for you.

This thread is about people's arrogance and inability to read and write correctly. So, either you are just trying to be ironic to be funny or you really can't read.

To Hill Billy, how is what Paul wrote any different from "STHU in church" aside from the wordings?


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