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Creationista
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Message 5 of 113 (452418)
01-30-2008 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
01-30-2008 6:25 AM


Giving it up.
Isn't it funny to put up a topic like this when the ones who would do such a thing would not talk about it because it would be shameful to discuss such a thing?
Luke 18:9-14
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
Matthew 6:1-6
Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. Therefore when thou doest [thine] alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly. And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

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Creationista
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Message 7 of 113 (452421)
01-30-2008 10:12 AM
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01-30-2008 10:09 AM


Re: Giving it up.
It is for a man do decide to give charity. What God chooses to do after that is not in question.

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Creationista
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Message 9 of 113 (452428)
01-30-2008 10:37 AM
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01-30-2008 10:24 AM


Re: Giving it up.
The verses always apply. The answer is, anyone who would say yes wouldn't say yes in this thread.
Any question of seeking reward is off point. Reward should never be the reason you do anything.

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Creationista
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Message 11 of 113 (452438)
01-30-2008 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by iano
01-30-2008 11:19 AM


Re: Giving it up.
"If the verses apply they tell us that there is certain to be no reward for this "public charity" of mine. Clearly I wasn't expecting any. What's the problem?"
No. The verse says "Give your charity in secret." It doesn't say "Only give charity in secret if you want a reward." The reward is, frankly, an afterthought.
"I've said yes in this thread so that point is refuted."
Actually, you said no, and then dithered, and then changed your mind. Then you said 'Only if I won't really understand how bad Hell will be until it's too late.' That's like giving away someone else's money.

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