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Author Topic:   Human Evolution (re: If evolved from apes, why still apes?)
molbiogirl
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Message 50 of 128 (453224)
02-01-2008 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Crooked to what standard
02-01-2008 5:26 PM


Okey dokey. I'm calling your bluff.
Well, how about fossils of animals that seem to have died violent deaths ...
What on earth does this prove? An animal that dies a violent death and that is then fossilized proves ... um ... that the animal died a violent death and was then fossilized.
You can't tell from a fossil that it "died in a flood". If, by some stretch of the imagination you think you can, please tell me how. And back up your "theories" with evidence from the scientific literature. Your word is not good enough for me.
... or fossils that cover two or more sedimentary layers, or layers that were considered older are above 'younger' ones.
Cites, please.
No creo babble from AIG, ICR, ad nauseum.
From the scientific literature.
And, just in case you have never bothered to look for proper evidence:
Google Scholar
PubMed
Or even that pollen spores have been found in the Grand Canyon inside of rocks that are supposedly so old life wasn't even beginning to form, let alone plants.
Cites, please.

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molbiogirl
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Message 56 of 128 (453236)
02-01-2008 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Crooked to what standard
02-01-2008 4:51 PM


Re: Congratulations to Kakip!!
First, I think it's 'Previously Refuted A Thousand Times', not that it matters. Your way works to.
Second, your refutes to this topic were seemingly against me. If you'll notice, the message you replied to never had any arguments for or against the topic, just a little encouragement and question.
Third, you just made my point. By constantly calling me a 'fish' (I know fully well what Ichthus is and its acronym (I think that it's Iesous Christos (h) Theos (h) Uios Sotos, in the original greek language).
Fourth, Creationism is not recycled feces. My point is thus: Every major civilization at the beginning of time (dated around 6,000 A.D. has believed not only in a God (or gods), but in a creation. There was absolutely no way that these civilizations, separated by at most seventeen thousand miles, the world's biggest (and possibly roughest) ocean, and the world's highest mountains. Therefore, the only explanation would be that all of these stories came from a real event. If you disagree, please do so and explain your theory on how these civilizations could have communicated the creation theory over this time.
P.S. Just as a side-note, evolutionism only came into being in the 1800's. According to creationists, that'd be only 200 out of 6000-8000 years, or 3%-2.5% of humanity. To evolutionists, it'd be 0.00013% of humanity. Either way, creationism has been accepted far longer and even now by far more people than evolutionism. By sheer numbers, let along the truth, creationism wins.
What does any of this BS have to do with the OP?
Please try to stay on topic. Don't clutter up the thread with OT crap.
In case you've forgotten:
OP writes:
If humans were said to be.. or be related to gorillas.. or chimpanzees or of those african apes, why is there still such things as gorillas and other apes.. wouldnt there be all humans if the apes have evolved into these humans.. how are these apes still maintain all the perfect DNA as to what exactly they are as apes, when apes have evolved into humans.

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molbiogirl
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Message 59 of 128 (453290)
02-01-2008 7:12 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by skepticfaith
02-01-2008 6:59 PM


Re: Congratulations to Kakip!!
So the question is if we evolved so much from some apelike creature how come the chimps we see today are not much different from this proposed ancestor?
And the answer is: Chimps are radically different from the common ancestor. As are we.
btw. Chimps differ from humans by less than 1% genetically.
Here is something that I always wondered - is it plausible to think that another creature alive now can evolve into a new creature given a few million years to a creature more intelligent than a human ? Assume that the human race went extinct today ..
OK. Humans. Gone.
Something else evolves.
Much as a new dominant lifeform evolved once the previous dominant lifeform (dinosaurs) went extinct long, long ago.

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molbiogirl
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Message 64 of 128 (453359)
02-01-2008 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by skepticfaith
02-01-2008 7:57 PM


Skeptic ain't so much of a skeptic, if you know what I mean.
The 1% thing became 5-7 % last time I checked - but this does not tell the whole story anyway.
Home | Cornell Chronicle
99 percent alike in genetic makeup, chimpanzees and humans might be even more similar were it not for what researchers call "lifestyle" changes in the 6 million years that separate us from a common ancestor.
You really need to keep up with the literature!
The reply below yours says otherwise too.
Sorry, charlie. Blue merely fleshed out what I said.
Where can I find information on evolution of Chimps?
Google Scholar
PubMed
Have at it, my friend.

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molbiogirl
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Message 65 of 128 (453361)
02-01-2008 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by skepticfaith
02-01-2008 8:02 PM


Re: Congratulations to Kakip!!
How would dolphins manipulate things though ?
I mean we use our hands - I can't imagine a dolphin being able to build something - what kind of adaptation will it need to make ?
How perfectly anthropomorphic of you.
Yes, yes, Skeptic. Intelligence requires the use of hands with opposable thumbs. Otherwise, how would they hold books?

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molbiogirl
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Message 73 of 128 (455645)
02-13-2008 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Wounded King
02-12-2008 8:27 AM


Re: Keeping up with the literature
I'm sorry to say this molbiogirl but this statement make you look both arrogant and ignorant.
Oh for the love of pete.
It was a joke.
SF wouldn't look at the literature if you tied him to a chair and held his eyes open with clothespins.

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molbiogirl
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Message 81 of 128 (458448)
02-28-2008 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Eclogite
02-28-2008 1:51 AM


Re: The Truth is Down There
Ec ... I am well aware of how we would determine whether or not an animal died in a flood.
However. I got the distinct impression this particular creo was convinced that something about the fossil itself would tell us it died in a flood.
What with the whole "it died a violent death" line of ... um ... "reasoning".

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