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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Beretta, this is a debate site. You are expected to present your views in your own words. You must be prepared to have them ripped apart. That is the point.
You are also expected to support your statements. If you are uninterested or unable in doing these things then this isn't the place for you. If you continue as you have you will lose your privileges here.
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Percy Member Posts: 22391 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.2 |
Hi Beretta,
You're right, the details of ID theory are not the topic of this thread, but I think at least an outline is appropriate in order to develop a better picture of what would be taught in a creation/ID curriculum. For instance, do you think that in 20 years ID advocates would still be saying that the designer and how he worked cannot be known? Will concepts like specified complexity and irreducible complexity have been given a scientific underpinning? Or will ID still be teaching that the wonder and complexity of nature is all the evidence needed to conclude design. --Percy
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3047 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
The primary goal of ID is to change science completely. True. We are only attempting to reverse the grip of Darwinism upon science. Darwinism is false and the same is Atheist ideology packaged as science.
Can you imagine what science would be like if everything had to conform to a fundamentalist and theistic "scientific" method? Fundamentalism Christianity, like Atheist Evolutionism, accepts microevolution. Science has always disproven any type of evolution. Genuine science presupposes Theism as true. Darwinism has ruined science. We intend to rid science of Darwinism and return it to its former glory. In other words, we intend to banish the voices of Fundamentalism and Atheism from having any say in science. Ray Martinez, Creationist-Designist.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
quote:Sorry to have to break this to you, but you are delusional. You are the voice of fundamentalism
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2477 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
CFO writes: In other words, we intend to banish the voices of Fundamentalism and Atheism from having any say in science. Ray Martinez, Creationist-Designist. Do you have a schedule for this? Will you take away the passports of America's scientists, or just let them leave to enjoy the fast increasing wealth of countries like China, and help put those countries quickly ahead in the technology race while Americans are busy praying to an ancient middle-eastern tribal God? And do you think your triumph will be soon? Should we start preparing to receive refugees here in Europe now?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Oh well I must have missed something -where's your proof that simpler life forms categorically had to have evolved into more complex life forms? Your gibberish has nothing to do with any claim that I have ever actually made.
Yes explain how, if naturalistic processes explain our arrival, we could have originated from something other than the supposed primordial soup after it rained on the rocks for millions of years? Oh, I see, we didn't come from pond scum after all; we came from the minerals washed out of the rocks over those millions of years; in other words our earliest ancestor is actually a rock! Your gibberish has nothing to do with any claim that I have ever actually made.
No, real observable scientifically provable processes vs pure imagination actually. Your gibberish has nothing to do with any fact about the real world. You want to try again?
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3047 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Coyote writes: Sorry to have to break this to you, but you are delusional.You are the voice of fundamentalism The evidence says that you are:
Ray originally writes: Fundamentalism Christianity, like Atheist Evolutionism, accepts microevolution. Science has always disproven any type of evolution. Genuine science presupposes Theism as true. Darwinism has ruined science. We intend to rid science of Darwinism and return it to its former glory. In other words, we intend to banish the voices of Fundamentalism and Atheism from having any say in science. Since you actually believe apes morphed into men why wouldn't you think I was delusional? Based on said belief concerning apes and men, I am glad that you think I am delusional. The approval of your kind would certainly make me delusional. Ray Martinez, Creationist-Designist.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4144 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Beretta writes: And why, exactly, is that Beretta? Could it be that none exists, and you simply cannot (or will) not admit as much?
I have no interest in giving you or flies only an ID hypothesis. Beretta writes: Come on Beretta...with the copious amounts of stuff you write, surely you can find the time to provide us what should be three or four sentences (at most), that spell out the testable, falsifiable I.D. hypothesis.
Go'n look on an ID website. Beretta writes: You "like it", I would guess, because it requires no intelligence to understand. You "like it", I suppose, because it does not require you to actually learn and study a vast array of topics. You "like it" because it's an answer that does not require you to think (hell, it actually depends on you not to think). I just happen to like and support what I have read on the topic. And my hypothesis would be that you "support it" for religious reasons.
Beretta writes: Nope, I am most definitely not pretending...I have NEVER heard (or seen) a scientific hypothesis that addresses I.D.
Are you pretending you have never heard the Id hypothesis... Beretta writes: Sure...copy it and provide the link. That would be nice. Why have you resisted for so long? As for ripping it apart...well, I cannot say for sure, since I have yet to ever see one. Unlike cdesign proponentsists, I'll actually wait for the evidence to come in before I reach a conclusion.
...or are you asking me to copy it so that you can rip it apart?
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4032 Joined: Member Rating: 9.2 |
Since you actually believe apes morphed into men why wouldn't you think I was delusional? Based on said belief concerning apes and men, I am glad that you think I am delusional. The approval of your kind would certainly make me delusional. What would the world look like after 20 years of Creationism/ID being taught in schools? Ray makes me think the movie "Idiocracy" might not be so far off the mark, after all. Nobody suggests apes "morphed" into anything, Ray. You've been around here long enough that if you're still parading that sad strawman of evolution, you're either deliberately being dishonest, you're ignoring everything anyone ever says to you, or you're incapable of comprehending even the most trivial claims of evolution. How's that paper coming, Ray? I'm sure you still think you're going to topple the Theory of Evolution from the position of the most accurate explanation for observed evidence, but from what I see, you've got about as much a chance as a kindergartner. When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4144 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Cold Foreign Object writes: Find ONE...ONE evolutionary biologists that makes this claim...ONE. Otherwise retract. But we both know that you can do neither.
Since you actually believe apes morphed into men why wouldn't you think I was delusional? Based on said belief concerning apes and men, I am glad that you think I am delusional.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2477 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
CFO writes: Since you actually believe apes morphed into men why wouldn't you think I was delusional? Based on said belief concerning apes and men, I am glad that you think I am delusional. Given your view that chimps and ourselves don't share a common ancestor, will the study of the genomes of primates be banned in the brave new world of U.S. education that you're describing? You're going to have to hide stuff like this from the kids. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De-OkzTUDVA Stuff that shows that you have less than one in a million chance of being right, Ray. Meaning that you are delusional.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3047 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
What would the world look like after 20 years of Creationism/ID being taught in schools? It would be infinetly more intelligent, honest and moral. Darwinism is fraud from top to bottom. Scholars have always known that evolution is false. They failed to educate the world early on which allowed Darwinism to succeed. They decided to be gentle in breaking the bad news that evolution is false. But since 1996 scholars have decided to abandon the gentle approach.
Nobody suggests apes "morphed" into anything, Ray. You've been around here long enough that if you're still parading that sad strawman of evolution.... Human evolution says apes morphed into men over the course of millions of years. Evolution says mankind descended from apes and was not created by God from the clay-like ground. Human evolution is the most basic claim of Darwinism, you should know that. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3047 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Given your view that chimps and ourselves don't share a common ancestor, will the study of the genomes of primates be banned in the brave new world of U.S. education that you're describing? You're going to have to hide stuff like this from the kids. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De-OkzTUDVA Stuff that shows that you have less than one in a million chance of being right, Ray. Commentary presupposes that genome similarity indicates proof of descent from chimpanzees. The same is an interpretation of said evidence based on the supposition that evolution has occurred, and based on the supposition that Genesis is false. Of course, suppositions are not evidence but filters that interpret evidence. Ray Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
quote:Actually, religiously-motivated individuals are becoming increasingly strident in their opposition to the theory of evolution since the losses in the U.S. Supreme Court. And they are getting farther from reality. Your post is a classic example. Creation "science" was blown out of the water in the late 1980s, leading to the current push for intelligent design. That has now been blown out of the water as well. The courts have recognized what science has long known. Neither of these two ideas is science, nor were they ever accepted by mainstream science (99.5% of working scientists). They have always been pushed by religious believers and a very small percentage of scientists who are also religiously-motivated (see the Statements of Faith of the some of the creationist websites for example). That is why your comments that you and your comrads are going to force your theology down our throats, and there is nothing we can do about it, are so ludicrous. You can't get your religion into the school systems because it is not science no matter how hard you posture, and everybody knows it. That is why the science curriculum will be free of the creation/ID nonsense 20 years hence. Looks like your only choice is a coup and installation of a religious dictatorship under a prophet. Is that what you are advocating?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
We intend to reverse the corruption of the U.S. Constitution from the stranglehold of anti-religious fanatics and teach school children that God is the Creator responsible for the observation of design seen in reality. The pro-Atheism corruption of the Constitution will be vacated wholistically one day in the semi-near future, and there is nothing you can do about it. The Constitution is the way it is because the Founding Father's saw you religious weenies coming and put up one hell of a roadblock in your way. I did not swear my allegiance to this document and get shot at for it just to have a bunch of right-wing religious bloodmongers take it away from me. If you want war, Ray, this is exactly what we will give you.
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