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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Not really. I am sure that NASA doesn't consult the Bible when they want to, for example, send astronauts to the moon and back aboard a rocket.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Science isn't decided by public opinion. If it were, then we would have classes on Astrology in school.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Wait, you don't accept that new species have been observed to emerge? Even though they have been directly observed to have done so in real time, both in the lab and in the field?
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4039 Joined: Member Rating: 8.2 |
Just a note on Ray's "Dr. Scott" from the conversation Trixie found:
Taken from Wikipedia: quote: So, essentially, Ray bases all of his mindless drivel and insane ramblings on a televangelist. This "Dr. Scott" had a Ph.D. in Philosophies of Education, not any science-related field! This is not a biologist, or a chemist, or a physicist, he's a freaking Jerry Falwell clone (I know Ray, your beloved Dr. Scott would hate to be called that). Scott did nothing whatsoever in any field of science from what I can determine. The closest he ever got would be topics on his radio show discussing science - which gives him all of the credibility of George Noory on Coast to Coast rambling about psychics, Bigfoot, and little green men. This is the world Ray wants: there is no scientific research, no further advances in any form of technology. Only reading and re-reading the Bible, and fantasizing over what "may" have been the mechanisms behind such laughably falsified claims as the global flood, 6-day Creationism, a young Earth, etc. This may not be the result of 20 years of ID/Creationism being taught in schools, but it could well be the result of 50 years. A society of morons with Bibles, not bothering to do any actual research, seeking answers for everything in a series of stone age myths. Medical research? It depends on evolution and other actual scientific principles, so it's an Atheist practice and should be banned. God will choose who lives. Technology? All inspiration required for scientific advances are clearly found in the Bible, right? I mean, Genesis is where science was invented, according to Ray. SO go ahead, Ray. Refute Evolution. Share with us the mighty words of your televangelist idol. Let us know how a church pastor with little to no science education can refute the work of thousands of trained proffessionals, and in one fell swoop prove hundreds of years of observable, repeatable evidence wrong. Lay it out, right here, right now, Ray, or you implicitly admit that you have nothing of substance, other than the crazy ramblings of a disturbed zealot. ABE: Regarding Dr. Scott, from here: "He also devised an ingenious system to keep the government out of his financial affairs by demanding that his followers “give without strings”-i.e., donate their cash without having any idea what it’s going to be spent on. “The spirit of life goes to work for you . . . only if you give materially to me,” Scott says. “You should give to me if I wanted to go out and buy a rock band or the Mustang Ranch.” Edited by Rahvin, : Added a quote from Dr. Scott the rabid televangelist When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Hi Ray. Don't you think that the US (I assume your are from the US based on your opinions) will fall terribly far behind the more scientifically oriented countries such as those in Europe and the Commonwealth, China and Japan? quote: Have you been to Japan or Europe? I have been to Japan and, let's see, seven European countries, and let me tell you, in many respects, each one is at leat equal and often superior to America. Healthcare, food, wine, education, public transportation, politeness, violent crime rate (especially Japan), etc. LA's annual gunshot homicide rate is probably greater than that of Europe and Japan combined.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: So, do you accept that DNA paternity tests are accurate? Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hey Ray,
Can you fix a long link for me?
http://groups.google.com/group/conservapedia-the-truth-about/web/how-the-l-a-times ... etc or
How The L.A. Times Outsmarted Conservapedia and Andy Schlafly (Second edition) type: [url=insert your url here]this message is linked to an url[/url]and it becomes: this message is linked to an url Long urls force the page to be wider than the screen, and thus make reading the posts difficult. Please edit the one you have in Message 153 so we can read the page. Thanks.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3069 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Long urls force the page to be wider than the screen, and thus make reading the posts difficult. Please edit the one you have in Message 153 so we can read the page. Even though the link is absurdly long, the horizontal scroll bar does not appear, and on my computer screens a wide screen does not appear, BUT I will nonetheless do as you ask. Ray
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1426 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Even though the link is absurdly long, the horizontal scroll bar ... For some reason it doesn't appear for urls on my little laptop either.
and on my computer screens a wide screen does not appear, BUT I will nonetheless do as you ask. Thanks, that did it. I used to be able to use "reply" to read posts that were wide but that doesn't work now (not for the one with the urls anyway).
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3069 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Taken from Wikipedia: Wikipedia is a Atheist controlled slander site. Anyone with a computer can contribute, like yourself, and write lies about Creationists and IDists. Maybe you can tells us, who wrote the "article" on Dr. Scott, what is this persons name? Was it Charles Darwin, Richard Dawkins, Bozo412, or Britney Spears? Hooded knowledge is illegitimate. Dr. Scott was a Stanford Ph.D. He also earned three Ph.D. minors; Psychology, Comparative Religion and Geography. The latter accomplishment was by oral exam. He is the only person to obtain a Ph.D. minor in Geography by oral exam having never taken a class on the subject at Stanford. His Masters degree was in Argicultural Geography which is a Geology-based degree. Dr. Scott was the eminent Bible scholar in the world. He, of course, refuted the Theory of Evolution, which explains your "televangelist" slander and the slander of your fellow Atheists in the news media. Televangelists do not have Ph.D.s from Stanford. Jared Diamond is considered a scientist and he is probably the most respected pro-evolution author in the world today. His degree is in Geography. Of course the level of anger and slander seen in your post against Dr. Scott is in dierct ratio equal to the degree that you perceive him to be a threat to your theory. Dr. Scott, of course, like Dr. Velikovsky, were the two greatest scholars of all time. Evolution has no real scholars since scholars are bound to tell the truth. Ray Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given. Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4039 Joined: Member Rating: 8.2 |
Wikipedia is a Atheist controlled slander site. Anyone with a computer can contribute, like yourself, and write lies about Creationists and IDists. Maybe you can tells us, who wrote the "article" on Dr. Scott, what is this persons name? Was it Charles Darwin, Richard Dawkins, Bozo412, or Britney Spears? Hooded knowledge is illegitimate. I included Wiki information because it agreed with everything else I found on him on the web, all in one nice concentrated little spot. Easy for quoting. Is any of the information wrong, Ray, or did you just want to dismiss it as usual? All I see is the typical Ray throwing around the word "Atheist" at everyone who doesn't completely agree with Ray, as if it were some sort of insult. You're like McCarthy and Communists, except funnier because you aren't in a position of authority.
Dr. Scott was a Stanford Ph.D. He also earned three Ph.D. minors; Psychology, Comparative Religion and Geography. The latter accomplishment was by oral exam. He is the only person to obtain a Ph.D. minor in Geography by oral exam having never taken a class on the subject at Stanford. His Masters degree was in Argicultural Geography which is a Geology-based degree. Dr. Scott was the eminent Bible scholar in the world. He, of course, refuted the Theory of Evolution, which explains your "televangelist" slander and the slander of your fellow Atheists in the news media. Televangelists do not have Ph.D.s from Stanford. Jared Diamond is considered a scientist and he is probably the most respected pro-evolution author in the world today. His degree is in Geography. I don't care about a pro-evolution author, Ray. Pro-evolution authors don't contribute to research - they write about what others have done. If evolution rested on the opinions of Jared Diamond, I'd dismiss it as handily as your televangelist buddy. Dr. Scott does not have a degree in any field surrounding evolution, and has never practiced science of any kind - he's a televangelist minister, Ray, nothing more. Now, he may be a crazy televangelist who buys his own press, I'm not entirely sure - but he's certainly no authority on evolution. Now, despite my severe doubts as to the quality of Dr. Scott's opinions regarding evolution, you still haven't provided us with his argument. Appeals to Authority and Ad Hominems are logical fallacies, so despite my misgivings, I;m more than willing to give Dr. Scott's words and thoughts a fair shake. In fact, I'm eager to hear the argument you claim falsifies evolution. We're waiting, Ray.
Of course the level of anger and slander seen in your post against Dr. Scott is in dierct ratio equal to the degree that you perceive him to be a threat to your theory. This is not me angry or hostile, Ray. This is me laughing most heartily at your insane ravings and televangelist muse. I don't perceive him, or you as a threat to anything other than the pocketbooks of the gullible - and fortunately Dr. Scott is now deceased, so he won't be scamming grandmothers out of their money any time in the near future.
Dr. Scott, of course, like Dr. Velikovsky, were the two greatest scholars of all time. Evolution has no real scholars since scholars are bound to tell the truth. Ray Mmmm hmm. So, since you've still refused to provide your actual argument that destroys evolution, you agree that you implicitly concede that you have nothing, and your tirades are nothing more than the sad rantings of a crazed zealot. Either you're too much of a coward to have your argument examined in public, or you simply don't have one, Ray. When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3069 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Wait, you don't accept that new species have been observed to emerge? Even though they have been directly observed to have done so in real time, both in the lab and in the field? If you want to get back on the wagon, email me and I will sponsor you. Ray Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3069 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
I don't care about a pro-evolution author, Ray. Pro-evolution authors don't contribute to research - they write about what others have done. If evolution rested on the opinions of Jared Diamond, I'd dismiss it as handily as your televangelist buddy. Dr. Scott does not have a degree in any field surrounding evolution, and has never practiced science of any kind - he's a televangelist minister, Ray, nothing more. Now, he may be a crazy televangelist who buys his own press, I'm not entirely sure - but he's certainly no authority on evolution. Now, despite my severe doubts as to the quality of Dr. Scott's opinions regarding evolution, you still haven't provided us with his argument. Appeals to Authority and Ad Hominems are logical fallacies, so despite my misgivings, I;m more than willing to give Dr. Scott's words and thoughts a fair shake. In fact, I'm eager to hear the argument you claim falsifies evolution. We're waiting, Ray. This is not me angry or hostile, Ray. This is me laughing most heartily at your insane ravings and televangelist muse. I don't perceive him, or you as a threat to anything other than the pocketbooks of the gullible - and fortunately Dr. Scott is now deceased, so he won't be scamming grandmothers out of their money any time in the near future. Mmmm hmm. So, since you've still refused to provide your actual argument that destroys evolution, you agree that you implicitly concede that you have nothing, and your tirades are nothing more than the sad rantings of a crazed zealot. Either you're too much of a coward to have your argument examined in public, or you simply don't have one, Ray. The degree of hate, rage and slander seen above is in direct ratio equal to the degree that you perceive Dr. Scott as a threat to your theory. It was Dr. Scott who first pointed out: the acceptance of Darwinism is a penalty from God for denying Him credit as Creator. This explains why a theory with no evidence is accepted. Ray Edited by Cold Foreign Object, : No reason given.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4039 Joined: Member Rating: 8.2 |
The degree of hate, rage and slander seen above is in direct ratio equal to the degree that you perceive Dr. Scott as a threat to your theory. There is no hate or rage in my words. Simply amusement, and the joy of refuting a particularly poor position. You calim I've slandered him - in what way? Is there anything untrue that I have said about him?
It was Dr. Scott who first pointed out: the acceptance of Darwinism is a penalty from God for denying Him credit as Creator. This is explains why a theory with no evidence is accepted. Ray That is your mighty argument refuting evolution?! Projection and "holy wrath" nonsense?! No evidence, simply a bare assertion based on multiple false premises, including that the ToE is a punishment (if punishments regularly help develop cures for diseases, please punish me some more!), that all those who accept the ToE also deny "god" credit, and that there is no evidence for evolution? You've got to be kidding me. No wonder your paper has never been finished, Ray. I guess I was wrong in saying that you either had nothing or were a delusional zealot. You're both. When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.
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Organicmachination Member (Idle past 5731 days) Posts: 105 From: Pullman, WA, USA Joined: |
The first amendment of the Constitution of the United States, written by Thomas Jefferson himself, a Deist, and signed by 39 of our other Founding Fathers, also Deist or Christian, expressly forbids the interference of the Church into matters of the state. It's not the federal judges who said Creationism couldn't be taught in schools, it was our Founding Fathers themselves.
If you ignore this post, we will all assume that you have conceded this point.
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