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Author Topic:   20 years of the Creation/ID science curriculum
nator
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Message 213 of 305 (455266)
02-11-2008 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Cold Foreign Object
02-11-2008 6:09 PM


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ID seeks to loosen the stranglehold and re-introduce Science back into the schools.
What advances in understanding of natural phenomena has any ID researcher contributed in the past 10 years?

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Message 229 of 305 (455368)
02-12-2008 6:51 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by Cold Foreign Object
02-06-2008 5:40 PM


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Commentary presupposes that genome similarity indicates proof of descent from chimpanzees. The same is an interpretation of said evidence based on the supposition that evolution has occurred, and based on the supposition that Genesis is false. Of course, suppositions are not evidence but filters that interpret evidence.
Do you accept the validity of DNA paternity tests?

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nator
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Message 230 of 305 (455369)
02-12-2008 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by Beretta
02-12-2008 4:20 AM


Re: Old evolutionist's tales
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What about the fossil record -what does it show? Sudden appearance and stasis with variation within fairly narrow limits.Extinction for some or continuance to this day relatively unchanged over hundreds of millions of years. The only things that really change a lot are the things evolutionists imagine are related but that is only because they have this apriori adherence to naturalism so they must all be related -after all they have a common ancestor don't they -anyone with a brain knows that, don't they?
No I'm afraid the evidence is against gradualism -it's not the tree of life, it's a lawn of life with some blades shorter than others.
So in this case, evolution is the type of pseudoscience you must be talking about -the evidence is against it.As for ID, the evidence matches the theory which is why it is infinately more satisfying a theory.
The postulate IS feasible -Helloooo!
Do you accept that DNA paternity testing is valid?

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Message 240 of 305 (455630)
02-13-2008 7:48 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by Beretta
02-13-2008 7:40 AM


Re: Old evolutionist's tales
Do you accept that DNA paternity testing is valid?

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nator
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Message 241 of 305 (455631)
02-13-2008 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 237 by Beretta
02-13-2008 7:40 AM


please explain the benefit to Godidit to inquiry
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If you say that naturalistic explanations are the only ones that are allowed, you may have shut out what really happened -is that science?
Yep!
The alternative is letting in explanations that do not lead to greater understanding.
Let's say we do allow "the IDerdidit" as an explanation. Or "Allahdidit", or "Krishnadidit", or "Isisdidit".
Now what? How do we use that? How does it increase our understanding of how nature works? How does any new technology or any new avenues of research spring from that conclusion?
How is inquiry benefitted by letting in magic as explanations for anything?
How would letting in non-natural explanations into, for example, forensics investigations help in the solving of crimes?

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Message 261 of 305 (455738)
02-13-2008 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 258 by CTD
02-13-2008 3:06 PM


Re: Read carefully
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Even in math there are axioms/assumptions which must be made.
Mathematics is not scientific.

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nator
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Message 263 of 305 (455741)
02-13-2008 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 260 by CTD
02-13-2008 3:36 PM


Re: You kidder
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There's been plenty of work done verifying the self-evident fact that randomness does not produce complexity.
Random mutations acted on by natural selection does.
You know, many industries use something called Evolutionary Algorythms which use Evolutionary principles to design things, often very complex things, better than humans can.
Evolutionary algorithms consistently perform well approximating solutions to all types of problems because they do not make any assumption about the underlying fitness landscape; this generality is shown by successes in fields as diverse as engineering, art, biology, economics, genetics, operations research, robotics, social sciences, physics, and chemistry.
What greater understanding of nature has ID supplied us with?

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