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pelican Member (Idle past 5013 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
the Report Problem Posts thread is not one for discussions, so I started this one to discuss trolling issues.
This may not be the right place to report this, but I think the thread "Evolutionary superiority" is page after page of trolling (I refer specifically to nearly every message by paula rose and Hill Billy in the last two pages, and many earlier posts by the same people). I agree with Right now, I say "If you don't want to participate in an act of stupidity, then don't participate in that act of stupidity". Or something like that. Don't feed the trolls. Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You've got to be joking. All three of these people have wildly different writing styles. One is an Atheist, one is a Diest, and another believes in God. Molbiogirl is quick to lay out the sarcasm, is very "quippy" and puts out a lot of machismo. RAZD is very methodical and extremely thorough, researches his topics nearly to death, and is generally very detached and cool in his reponses. He is interested in evidence and rarely allows himself to be drawn into an emotional response. Percy is eloquent and turns a phrase better than almost anybody else here. He has the ability to be a "velvet hammer" in that he can utterly crush an opponent's argument in a succinct, extremely clear, yet rather impersonal way which anticipates their emotional response and also tries to soften the blow. He explains things very well. When he is forced to really put it to somebody, he is fearfully effective, moreso because he so rarely indulges in anything even remotely resembling an ad hominem, whaich is something few of us on this forum could boast.
quote: Is this an admission? Since in that list, there is only, seemingly, two posters mentioned. You know, it is exceedingly lame and pathetic to invent support in the form of a puppet poster, and you have a lot of nerve being annoyed at anyone for any behavior towards you. Since you lied about your multiple memberships, why should we respect anything you write? Edited by nator, : No reason given. Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Don't feed the trolls?
How else can I protest the suspension (speaking of "acts of stupidity") of so many excellent posters in the name of "making EvC better"? We have lots and lots of posts from hill billy and paula rose now, when just a few weeks ago we had lots of posts from Ringo and jar. Yeah. EvC is so much better now. It is so great. Edited by nator, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
EvC is so much better now. It is so great. I fully support Percy in his wish to improve the level of debate on his forum. Dealing with trolls is one way to do that.
We have lots and lots of posts from hill billy and paula rose now, when just a few weeks ago we had lots of posts from Ringo and jar. One of the issues that Percy had was people carrying grudges from one thread to another, and you had to be an oldtimer to then know what is going on. One way to clear the air is to ban everyone that did that and the ones that were targets, start fresh in other words with "new" people (or new incarnations of old people). There were also a lot of chit-chat posts and complaints, posts that are no better than troll posts. I like the streamlined system. I think the standard is pretty easy: keep your posts on topic, support your debate with additional information when needed, don't add to problems.
How else can I protest the suspension (speaking of "acts of stupidity") of so many excellent posters in the name of "making EvC better"? Beat your head against the wall: at least it will feel better when you stop. The suspension of people has been pretty irrelevant in the history of the board, imho, and the use of new\alternative user IDs has been tacitly tolerated by many (simple, whatever, the twins, as well as our newcomers). Feeding the trolls means just descending to their level and turning into one yourself, hardly a valuable position to attain. Conversely if there were a dearth of constructive conversation and commentary on various topics, such as the Grand Canyon from the Bottom up, then an argument could be made for inviting old members back. What do you want to accomplish? Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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nator Member (Idle past 2197 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Then I am shocked that he didn't ban me outright, since I totally hold grudges and interact with people in new threads with their full history in mind. In fact, Percy pretty much does that, too, and reminds people of their past behavior constantly.
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Trixie Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 1011 From: Edinburgh Joined: |
I've never disagreed with oyu in the past, but I totally disagree with what you say here
I think the standard is pretty easy: keep your posts on topic, support your debate with additional information when needed, don't add to problems. You may think the standard is pretty easy, but it seems to me that many of our "non-evolutionist" posters are not willing or able to do this and they are not being sanctioned. At the same time, many of us old-timers are trying to carry on with business as usual, yet we continually hit our head against a brick wall of dishonest debating. Yes, you're right that it stops hurting when you stop doing it, so maybe some of us should just stop.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I've never disagreed with oyu in the past, but I totally disagree with what you say here Good.
You may think the standard is pretty easy, but it seems to me that many of our "non-evolutionist" posters are not willing or able to do this and they are not being sanctioned. The standard has always been lower for the creationists. Percy has also drawn a distinction between moderation on science threads and places like coffeehouse, where pretty much anything goes. Most of the posts by the newcomers have been in the coffeehouse arena. JohnFulton is doing an interesting job with global cooling, but he is presenting information and not just opinion.
At the same time, many of us old-timers are trying to carry on with business as usual, yet we continually hit our head against a brick wall of dishonest debating. Such as never producing an argument FOR ID? But you know (and I know and they know) that there is not an argument that can be provided, that the sheet of the talking points regarding this issue was omitted in the original plan to attack education through politics. CTD and Berreta aren't able to produce evidence of something that has not been provided in the first place. Don't you thing asking for that is like asking a rhetorical question? Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4143 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: Why is that poor debaters always assume that people who disagree with them are the SAME person? Just because you can't argue your way out of an paper sack does not mean that you can ignore reality. If the posters are all posting at the SAME TIME and have the SAME IPs you may have an point. But if they are posting at wildly different times from different IPs, that's just paranoia.
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ThreeDogs Member (Idle past 5878 days) Posts: 77 From: noli me calcare Joined: |
quote:Is the information he presents, other than his opinion, the opinion of others? quote: Do you have proof for this claim? Or do you just generally hand out the idiot treatment if it looks like a creationist? But, you do get upset when you get the treatment in return, don't you? Because you think you are of superior quality based on a few books you have read, found them interesting and now regurgitate them to set the standard. On my turf, you would be as inept as those you chide for not meeting the requirements on your turf.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1621 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
i guess the guy above this post was a "troll post"?
i guess im learning. when i saw troll i figured it was time to get my shotgun out and sit on the front porch with a flashlight or something ill try not to be a troll nor feed trolls in my posts. thanks for the info on a "troll". keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1371 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
seriously. i've known lotsa boards that bumped around "don't feed trolls" and this was never one of them. there's just something wonderfully condescending about labelling someone a troll and worthy of being ignored. it's a special kind of one-up-man-ship game of rudeness that works wonders on boards where being a dick is the cool thing that everybody just has to do. but... here? where people actually know what the term ad hominem means? i'm surprised to say the least.
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5382 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
there's just something wonderfully condescending about labelling someone a troll Hmmm. Yes, it seems.
it's a special kind of one-up-man-ship game of rudeness that works wonders on boards where being a dick is the cool thing that everybody just has to do. Does it seem to you that the dick won't admit to being a dick and instead calls someone else a dick.
but... here? I think there are plenty of dicks here who think it's cool to be a dick, that is until they become the dickie. Then it ain't so cool. Seems some here have spent a long time being the big dick without being seriously challenged in their dickness. So when a bigger dick shows up....... The years tell what the days never knew.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1371 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
hill billy,
you don't know the boards i'm talking about. this is an extremely level-headed and respectful group on the whole. but i am a part of other boards, too, and have been a part of other boards in the past where there were not such nice people, and no boundaries of what was and was not acceptable conduct. take my word for it, you don't know "dick."
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Hill Billy Member (Idle past 5382 days) Posts: 163 From: The hills Joined: |
take my word for it, you don't know "dick." Is that an argument from authority? I think pretty much anyone can be a dick given the wrong circumstances.
this is an extremely level-headed and respectful group on the whole. Mmm, comparatively, yes, I agree, but there are always exceptions. The years tell what the days never knew.
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