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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4701 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
Beretta writes:
You're right! However, allowing children to see that it is not necessarily categorically proven that macroevolution by random mutation is 'truth'is a very good idea -no matter what you think is true.Allow them to think rather than rely on materialistic dogma -that's the point. We should start giving equal time in elementary school health classes to the non-materialistic methods of maintaining their health. Things like reflexology, prayer teams, charms, and Voodoo should be presented as viable options to good diet and cleanliness. We wouldn't want them to rely on materialistic dogma. If creationists got their way then the "materialistic dogma" would be morphed into methods that included a particular spiritual requirement. Medicine would require prayer and fasting as a prerequisite to surgery. Any spiritual expression outside of the "scientific" establishment would be marginalized if not made illegal. Eventually we would wind up with a 17th century theocracy....fighting the Moors, burning witches and stoning adulterers.
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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4701 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
LinearAq writes:
Beretta replies: Medicine would require prayer and fasting as a prerequisite to surgery.Again you're missing the point -while praying may be a good idea, we are talking about science and nobody has any intention on changing it to anything else. Get a grip. Since you don't believe this to be so, could you point out what would disqualify these ideas as scientific theories yet leave ID as a viable scientific theory?
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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4701 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
CFU writes:
What is meant by this statement? Do you mean that the Constitution is corrupt? In what way? When the corruption of the Constitution is reversed, science will be restored to the classroom one appoitment at a time. What is your grand scheme for changing the Constitution and what will this do to society in America 20 years hence? My opinion is that if you change the Constitution to restrict the freedoms of any part of the population (Atheists, Muslims, homosexuals...etc) then you undermine the basic tenets under which this country was founded. If your plan is to change the First Amendment with regards to the government's hands off approach to religion then I will be quickly looking into job prospects in Canada or New Zealand (both are nice places).
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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4701 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
Percy's not an Atheist, Ray, you know that.
Evidence...? Percy has written that he is not. I say that you are an atheist.You say you are not. Evidence? On topic:What are the changes that must be made to America to incorporate ID in the science curriculum? How will those changes affect the US in 20 years? Would atheism be illegal? What about Islam...allowed or not? How about Assemblies of God...legal...not legal? Would freedom of expression be affected by these sweeping changes that your religion/sect will put in place?
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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4701 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
Logic says that whoever evolutionists slander the most is the most correct. This means Dembski and Behe are most correct since they seem to be the main target of evolutionist howling.
Amazingly, they both believe that the TOE is the best explanation for the diversity of life on Earth. They believe it was directed by an intelligent designer but it occurred just the same. Since you say they are the most correct based on the inane logic that they are opposed by "evolutionists" the most, does this mean that you buy into evolution, speciation and the like? OR Do you think your statements, that macro and micro evolution don't occur, are wrong?
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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4701 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
CFU writes: Neither Dembski or Behe accept ToE. From Michael Behe's own hand:
quote: From TEACHING INTELLIGENT DESIGN -- WHAT HAPPENED WHEN?A RESPONSE TO EUGENIE SCOTT -By William A. Dembski quote:and quote: It looks to me that they both accept macroevolution and microevolution which you say never happened. Perhaps they don't accept TOE as you define it but I am "ignorant" of your strange definition of it. So back to the question at hand.You said that they are most correct because they are most opposed by evolutionists. Does this mean you now believe that macro-evolution and micro-evolution have occurred? Do you now accept common descent through evolutionary mechanisms as the best explanation for the diversity of life on this planet? Or Will you now say that Behe's and Dembski's version of ID is incorrect and unacceptable by you. Looks like I'm not the only one who is ignorant...to say the least. Edited by LinearAq, : make quote more readable
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LinearAq Member (Idle past 4701 days) Posts: 598 From: Pocomoke City, MD Joined: |
CFO writes:
Ah! Now we finally get to it. So, you would teach that an undetectable Designer is logically more plausible than the chemical and biological(also chemical) processes that have been observed by science thus far. Logically, invisible Designer/God is a better explanation for the observation of design than a mindless and unguided process that only exists in the minds of Atheists.Can you support that beyond your assertion that it is true? How would you show the student sitting in your science class that a designer must logically exist? What are the telltale signs of the designer's handiwork? Is the development of antibiotic resistance, in a population of bacteria that was spawned from one individual bacterium, a direct intervention by the designer? What part of a now-resistant bacterium would you show them to provide evidence as to your contention that the designer was/wasn't the direct cause of the antibiotic resistance? Please, provide us with your unassailable logic. Inquiring young minds wait breathlessly for your hand to guide them into areas of knowledge that science has thus far been unable to reach. As an aside: I get this mental picture that every time you say "atheist", you spit it out as if you had just taken a drink of sour milk. Edited by LinearAq, : Trying to make my likely-to-be-ignored questions more easily understood.
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