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Author Topic:   20 years of the Creation/ID science curriculum
Modulous
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Message 5 of 305 (451333)
01-27-2008 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tanypteryx
01-26-2008 2:22 PM


From the Wedge strategy
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Positive uptake in public opinion polls on issues such as sexuality, abortion and belief in God
They basically want a religious revival where materialism is rejected and everyone supports christian moral values - notably those regarding sexuality and abortion etc. As they say, they want...
quote:
To defeat scientific materialism and its destructive moral, cultural and political legacies.
To replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and hurnan beings are created by God.
They are running a bit behind schedule, but they were planning (by 2018)
To see intelligent design theory as the dominant perspective in science.
To see design theory application in specific fields, including molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy in the humanities; to see its innuence in the fine arts.
To see design theory permeate our religious, cultural, moral and political life.
What they want is the religious right utopia. What we'll actually get? Well, I doubt it will be the collapse of civilization - but the US will have significant financial issues. I doubt it would affect just biology and who wants a non-materialist oil location company that uses the intelligent oil hider theory?
We saw what happens when science is undermined by religious agendas (not personally) in what happened to the Middle East. Hopefully that isn't the future of the USA.

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Modulous
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Message 292 of 305 (456031)
02-15-2008 3:54 AM
Reply to: Message 290 by CTD
02-14-2008 7:40 PM


Re: ID hypothesis
So, you'd be looking for a comment akin, but maybe not identical, to the following:
quote:
Living organisms on Earth today, and the chemicals which work together to keep them alive, are extremely complex - even in single-celled microorganisms. Some people find it hard to accept that such complexity could have evolved through natural selection. Some religious people believe all living things on Earth were made by God, or that life was begun by God but then evolved through natural selection. We will probably never be absolutely certain about how life began - as no-one was there to observe it. But scientists must base their theories upon evidence.
Teach the kids that we don't know how life originated exactly, underline that science is about following the evidence and inform them that some people believe something different. From the GCSE revision guide at the BBC.
I'm waiting for just one to have enough guts to look I.D. in the eyes.
I'm still waiting for ID to be presented so I can look at it in the eyes. So far the only thing I can be sure of is that in the next 20 years ID will stand in front of the classroom and declare that some parts of evolution/origin of life might have had some kind of architect and/or designer.
You claim that is it. You say that "the difference in classrooms would be nearly imperceptible". Maybe what you envision is a much more palatable future than the oarsmen of the boat you are riding. The people who are steering your boat are trying to steer it towards, in their own words, "[replacing] materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God."
And it isn't just abiogenesis or biochemistry they are hoping to apply it to, to your chagrin they want to apply it to "molecular biology, biochemistry, paleontology, physics and cosmology in the natural sciences, psychology, ethics, politics, theology and philosophy" as well as "fine art". They want to use their ideas to move forward the subject of "sexuality, abortion and belief in God".
You might get bored at the "straw man the evolutionists have been trotting out", instead you should be angry at are those who have hijacked teleology into a religio-political movement.

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