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DogToDolphin
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Message 16 of 21 (456395)
02-17-2008 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Modulous
02-17-2008 5:57 PM


Re: Sir Richard
Thanks for the quote. So it sounds like he is open-minded somehow on paranormal phenomenon. I don't agree when he talks about UFOs abductions, since it's not a worldwide phenomenon, compared to spirits and cannot be tested.

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tesla
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Message 17 of 21 (456396)
02-17-2008 6:12 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by DogToDolphin
02-17-2008 3:40 PM


Re: Sir Richard
i am not sure i have ever met one who saw things so clearly as you. i agree with the things you have said that i have read.
on topic: it is just as easy for a proclaimed "christian" to reject evolution in the spirit of believed conflict with their "religion", as it is for dawkins to reject God by his belief it contradicts his evolution.
the truth is, neither are in conflict, but only in the minds of the individuals who do not understand both concepts.
you evolutionist and atheist's read dawkins and give him a golf clap for his performance: if a christian was to do the same performance saying God is and evolution a lie, how then would you react? you would call them fools is my guess, because you understand evolution, but not God.

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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DogToDolphin
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Message 18 of 21 (456398)
02-17-2008 6:37 PM
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02-17-2008 6:12 PM


Re: Sir Richard
i am not sure i have ever met one who saw things so clearly as you. i agree with the things you have said that i have read.
Thanks!
You know I am thinking a lot about all this evolution (i.e. that life comes from a single-cell ancestor), God, life...
It's true that my spiritual experience came before i start wondering seriously about if my experience was a construct of my unconsciousness or something similar, if I believed in God because it made me feel good...lots of thoughts and questioning comes to mind, but now I realize I cannot ask myself all my life otherwise I don't move on, I guess we'll never know the truth on everything for certain, but at least I am more than ever convinced of the truth of God and his plan of salvation and that my spiritual conversion was not construed in my mind since I didn't know anything about the conversion experience; I just cried out to God to change me and make me the one he wants me to be, if the Bible is true and if he exist, then I told him I was ready to give up my selfish lifestyle and follow Him. This was on a summer night in 1998, and the next morning I woke up with such a deep inner peace, and knowing I had been forgiven and that a new start was ready for me that I really couldn't believe it happened, I was really full of deep joy and peace and most of all I had real love for God and consequently love for myself and love for others started to grow.
The only scientific thing about that is the effect it had on my chemicals of joy, love, and peace, and spiritual hunger.
Anyway this is really off-topic! sorry for that, I guess a thread on spiritual experiences could be open?

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tesla
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Message 19 of 21 (456399)
02-17-2008 6:42 PM
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02-17-2008 6:37 PM


Re: Sir Richard
it sure could
but i think theres a way you can see what you have missed, and by seeing clearly, see things i have missed. click my name, and review some of the topics that catch your eye, perhapts God will aid us both in the truth that by knowing it, he will guide us to his will.
i will post no more on this topic as it is off topic, apologies in advance to both the forum moderators and the forum poster.
God be with us all, and God's will be done. so be it.
Edited by tesla, : k in know

keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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bluegenes
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Message 20 of 21 (456402)
02-17-2008 7:05 PM
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02-17-2008 4:33 PM


DogToDolphin writes:
Jesus was open minded compared to the religious Jews of his time.
I'm not sure if anyone claiming to be God could ever be regarded as open minded.
Rather, it would seem to be a symptom of the kind of personality who always must believe he is 100% right, and that others cannot question his authority. By definition.

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DogToDolphin
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Message 21 of 21 (456404)
02-17-2008 7:44 PM
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02-17-2008 7:05 PM


If I claim to be God but don't prove it, then either:
-I am a deceiver
-I am lunatic, or crazy
But:
- Jesus spoke the truth so that no one could replied back at the truths he claimed, because it was the truth. He was not bringing the attention to him just to get attention like an attention-craver starlet would do, he was clearly saying that what God wants is people's heart and not their outward good-deeds. How can that be not true. we can see it in our relationship with someone, I don't want you to just show you like me I want you to really love me, but I can't force you. His point was "Love your neighbour like yourself" and "Love God with all your heart and all your mind". To me it sounds very true. and in accordance with my experience of life. The main point of life, at least from what i see, is love (well I am not a lovey-doey kind of guy, but still in the ideal it's love, sincere and deep love)
-Also, he performed miracles not for his own glory but for specific events like healing, walking on water, multiplication of bread and fishes..., so he could clearly show that he was who he was saying he was. But obviously a lot of people still didn't believe his claims as the Messiah.
-He clearly accomplished prophesies (you can always argue that it was made up by the disciples or the writers of those accounts).
-He knew he was going to die and he knew he had to die for the sake of humanity and God's promises.
He also resurrected, and the disciples (+ 500 other people) were witnesses to that when Jesus visited them.
And then the disciples started to "preach" in Israel first and then to the gentiles.
If you really want to know what Jesus is all about I guess you can find lots of books on Amazon typing "Jesus History" or something like that.

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