How does God make this justice happen?

I appreciate your advise on the quote function but for some reason I cannot write to the peek screen. I can pick up info but cannot do anything with it.You wrote
“It was the foolishness of the parents that led to the death of their children.”No it was water provided by God. This is undeniable.You wrote
“blame the author of death, Satan, “God is the creator of all things including death. Satan is just a pawn that God uses as He will.Do not take away God’s supremacy over the systems that He has created. He take the blame and the credit for all that happens.Regards
DL

Oh. Then I am confused. To answer your original question, no I would not enjoy seeing other human beings killed for any reason. But I'm not sure what I enjoy or what I don't enjoy has anything to do with "justice."

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...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

According to the Cane and Able story God’s justice would say that we have to let the bombers go with just a mark on their forehead. I think this strange and unjust.Why would the God of the Bible think it just?Regards
DL

Why? What do Caine and Abel have to do with bombing a large building full of people?- Yes, you've expressed this opinion several times. I'm just trying to figure out why you think we should also share your opinions? I mean, you sound just like the evangelicals in assuming that your opinions are somehow the correct ones.- I dunno, but it sounds a lot better than giving Caine a lethal injection. But that's just my opinion.

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...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

So you think it would be just for us to just mark the bombers and let them go. Right?
You either agree with God's method or not.
I do not.Regards
DL

I'm not saying anything about "just" and "unjust". I'm just saying that I would have found this preferable to killing them.- Well, yeah, we know because you keep repeating it. However, you seem to have set yourself up as the arbiter of "justice," and I'm just point out how easy that is: anyone can set herself up as the arbiter of justice, and a lot of people do. I suspect that this world would get along much better if we didn't have so many self-styled arbiters of justice.

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...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

Just because the correct answer is in dispute doesn't mean there is no correct answer.The evangelicals would have us to believe that their self-proscribe all loving, all merciful god is a homicidal/genocidal maniac. I'm going to take a leap of logic here and say that this view is clearly wrong.

This reminds me of Nazi Germany. The foolishness of the Jews to settle and live in central Europe caused millions of their descendants to die in death camps. You are following the typical christian pattern of blaming the victims.By the way, please help me identify the animal "kinds" in Noah's Ark in this thread. For now, we're still on mammals. Message 25 is the comprehensive list so far.

That is true. But what I'm saying in this instance is that if the correct answer is in dispute then one must provide a justification for why one's answer should be considered the correct one. That is pretty much the meaning of "in dispute" (or at least the practical consequence of "being in dispute.")Of course, as I've indicated in previous posts, I do believe that in this case there is no correct answer. "Being in dispute" is one piece of evidence for this conclusion, but the entire argument is a bit more subtle.

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...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

With your ideas of justice, I wonder what kind of reception you would have gotten if you have petitoned the court to have the bombers released with a mark for their crimes.Not a pleasant one i would think. Especially from the famillies of the victims.Regards
DL

I'm still not sure what my "ideas of justice" or the reception those "ideas" would receive from a certain group of people have to do with anything that you are saying. You seem to be confirming that justice depends on who is doing the "receiving" -- that is justice is culturally dependent. So you seem to be saying that if Adam and Eve and their surviving children were all cool with the idea of Cain getting a mark and then being sent on his way, than that would be just.Which is odd, because it appears that your rants against the Christian god (or at least against the evangelical fundamentalist Christian god) are based largely on his actions and decision violating your sense of justice. Basically, you are saying that you don't like the evangelical's god.Okay, so why should the evangelicals care that you don't like what their god does or has done? Hell, I'm not even a Christian, and I don't even care whether or not you like what the evangelical's god allegedly did. I'm just asking why should any of us take your rant seriously?Edited by Chiroptera, : Typos and rearranged first paragraph a bit.

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...Onward to Victory is the last great illusion the Republican Party has left to sell in this country, even to its own followers. They can't sell fiscal responsibility, they can't sell "values," they can't sell competence, they can't sell small government, they can't even sell the economy. -- Matt Taibbi

Its not an example of His love. Its an example of His intolerance of sin. Lol it wasnt ignorance, it was Love she was rejecting, love and eternal life. And if she hadn't chose death over life, there wouldn't have even been a flood. No. Nothing lives forever except through the power of God. Your mind wouldn't be empty, it would be as full as ever. All the people who choose life over death wil not by empty minded, their minds will be full of love for, and the love of, Jesus Christ.RaphEdited by Raphael, : No reason given.

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Truth is still Truth, Whether One or a Thousand People believe it.

No i dont blame the Jews for living in central Europe, and that analogy is irrelevant. You must put blame where blame is due, not somewhere else. Are you saying Satan FORCED them to not care about their lives? Satan FORCED them to disregard the safety of their children? Its not like some guy came to all the Jews 50 years before the holocaust and said "Listen Everyone! In 50 years a man named Adolf Hitler will kill all you and your decendants! Flee now!" Most of the Jews didnt have any warning, unlike the antideluvians who had ample warning.Raph

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Truth is still Truth, Whether One or a Thousand People believe it.

Could you please learn a little history before you make a comment like this?Based on the history of central Europe in regard to anti-semitism, the Holocaust was inevitable. The only thing that surprised people was the extent of the systematic extermination came up by the nazis.In fact, I haven't met a single historian that thought it was surprising the Holocaust ever happened at all even after 6 thousand years of civilization. For centuries, Europe as a whole was only a couple steps away from bringing about the Holocaust.And apparently, after 6 thousand years of civilization and the Holocaust, it's not surprising that we still have someone like you who is trying to justify genocide. I deal with people like you almost on a daily basis. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

what he created was good, but he gave us a choice when he gave us a soul. our consciousness exists in the spirit realm, but thats the part of the whole we deny.what manner of god are you to judge the true God?when you take cattle to slaughter, do you have compassion when you slay them? is it not wise to slay what you must to survive? is it murder, to kill a rapist and murderer who is in your house and threatening your existence?it is wrong to murder that which is good to you and for you, but wise to slay that which seeks to destroy you.by ignorance, you have found forgiveness from God, because he is perfect, and came his consciousness in the body of a man to die and defeat the doubt of men, that we might be saved and not destroyed. but of our choice, do we deny the body that cannot have doubt. and in our denial, we are full of doubt. so he gave us the truth, and in science the proof, that we may know him, and seek him, and repent, that we might yet live. but as we choose, that is our choice.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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