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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
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BobAliceEve Member (Idle past 5423 days) Posts: 107 From: Seattle, WA, USA Joined: |
Hi trossthree,
quote: graft2vine's post in Message 18 likeness = phantom (or spirit?) and image = concrete (or physical?) would appear to support your idea of a spiritual and a physical creation. Entities of spirit would not need an order of physical creation if they do not breathe, eat, drink, etc. I think the first verse is about the scientific parallel, the big bang. Everything was created and would logically sort itself out because of natural law. Verses Gen 1:2 could easily be a physical organization of matter 13.5 billion years later (what is a billion years to a being who has always existed?) when the material was available. Gen 1:3 then goes back to the spiritual (design?) creation while the earth cools down. I can look at a software project design and pronounce it good and completely envision it even though not one line of code exists for it. Gen 1:26 then would be the idea/design/spirit creation of man (Adam and Eve) before the physical creation. Gen 2:5 separates the spiritual from the physical (every plant before it was in the earth) but no physical man to till the ground. Gen 2:8 could refer to a preceeding physical garden created to be Adam's home with the physical earth to have vegatation added then animals. Gen 2:21 winds up the whole creation with it's pinnacle, Eve. BAE
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autumnman Member (Idle past 5041 days) Posts: 621 From: Colorado Joined: |
It appears that reading the Scripture as it is written is no longer the appropriate way of studying the Bible.
Heb. "tzelem=image" when referring to the Deity {God is a spirit/wind} such an "image" would have to be referring to a "non-physical form". Heb. "demut=likness" is derived from the verb "damah=imagine". When referring to the Deity {God is a spirit/wind} such a "likeness" would also have to be referring to a "non-physical form". If the "image" and "likeness" is construed as a "physical form" then one is anthropomorphizing {i.e. humanizing} the Deity, and essentially making an image/idol of the Deity in the form of something that is on the earth. According to Exodus 20:4 God forbids such image/idol making. Regards;Ger
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: This is a good way of explaining what is being said in the first 3 chapters of Genesis, and I've not seen such a listing, but there should be one. What I do not follow, even tho I've read of this, is why you conclude the rains activation of ch. 2 is seen as 3rd day. Here, you have picked up on the verse, "in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens" as applying to the day of the rains. My reading is, the day refers to the heavens and earth creation, not the rains. I believe this is the more grammatically correct reading - the rains are mentioned for the first time as an introduction of it, while the heavens and earth have already been declared as applying to the first day. IOW, the latter clause of the verse is describing the heavens and earth , which it is attached to - not the rains. The other applicable factor is that the entire universe was created in one instant, along with all its components, in potential form, and activated in its due time. This is the meaning of Creation being rested on the 6th day: meaning it was 'completed'. The OT is read contextually, as opposed chronologically, and intergratedly as opposed independently. What alsoapplies here,is the verse which says the rains will be given in its due time - signifying it was created, but is given according to its relevence.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: I believe the word 'OF' is incorretly disregarded here. It says, the spirit *OF* Gd, so the conclusion this refers to Gd being spirit is an invalid addition. Secondly, the 2nd Commandment says not to worship *ANYTHING* within creation - which would include spirit, heaven and the spiritual realm - all which was created in the beginning. This says there is no advocation or sanctioning of anthropomorphizing, except in the abstract expressionism. Images are not forbidden - except when used for worshipping.
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graft2vine Member (Idle past 4983 days) Posts: 139 Joined: |
autumnman writes: If the "image" and "likeness" is construed as a "physical form" then one is anthropomorphizing {i.e. humanizing} the Deity, God creating man in his image does not amount to us humanizing God. God is creating man for sonship, and that is what the image and likeness is all about. Adam's sons are said to be in Adam's image and likeness. So, God making man is no more of an idol than my daughter is an idol.
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graft2vine Member (Idle past 4983 days) Posts: 139 Joined: |
IamJoseph writes: What I do not follow, even tho I've read of this, is why you conclude the rains activation of ch. 2 is seen as 3rd day. Here, you have picked up on the verse, "in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens" as applying to the day of the rains. In Gen 1:1 God created "bara" the heavens and the earth. "bara" meaning that he created the materials out of thin air and not necessarily gave them form yet. verse two makes it clear that the earth was without form. Gen 2:4 is about when God made "asah" the earth and heavens. "asah" meaning that God fashioned, gave the earth form which it did not have before. This is at a different point than on day 1. Day 3 is when the earth took on form with the dry land appearing. Day 3 is also when the hydrologic cycle (that began to take shape on Day 2) is ready for rain. Hope this helps.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Yes, i can see that 'form' occured, namely the rain signifying an activation, turning the created products from potential to actual form - which means a giving is subject to its due time. However, I see the 'day' refering not to the rains but to the instant the heavens and earth were created.
Here, all the items in the first six days were already created, but were inactive. They became actualised later. Thus the vegetation was created but inactive - awaiting the later rains. Adam [humans] would have been created on the 6th day, after all the preliminary and required items were created, as an anticipation of Adam. 'The dinner table is ready for the guests' is the applicable metaphor here.
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autumnman Member (Idle past 5041 days) Posts: 621 From: Colorado Joined: |
IamJoseph:
Here, all the items in the first six days were already created, but were inactive. That is not what the Hebrew Text states. The term "created" is used but never a term referring to "activation." I think it would be best if our interpretations of the Heb. or Eng. Texts at least reflect what is actually conveyed by them. Regards;Ger
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Otto Tellick Member (Idle past 2358 days) Posts: 288 From: PA, USA Joined: |
graft2vine writes: Creation order: 1. Heavens, including sun, moon and stars. 2. Earth, the separation of the land and seas.
This is posted under "All EvC Forums => Science Forums => The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy". Do you want to discuss the discrepancy between Genesis -- particularly the two points you summarized above -- and observations that support the conclusion that the moon came into being after the earth existed? The description that is most consistent with observed facts about the earth and moon is that the moon was created as a result of a large body colliding with the earth, meaning the earth was present first. To assert that the moon existed before the earth would require some astonishing and fantastic exceptions to easily observed and well-understood principles of physics. Or would you rather change the interpretation of the text in Genesis? That would likely break some rules of linguistics. A third alternative is to conclude that the Bible does not accurately reflect this aspect of the physical history of creation. It can still work just fine as a metaphorical or mythical account. Each reader can extract what he/she considers to be the important parts of the story, without having to deny physical fact. (I hope there's no serious proposal that God did things as described in Genesis, then "fudged" the evidence to make it appear as though things happened some other way. What sort of deity would stoop to those shenanigans?) autotelic adj. (of an entity or event) having within itself the purpose of its existence or happening.
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graft2vine Member (Idle past 4983 days) Posts: 139 Joined: |
Otto,
Do you want to discuss the discrepancy between Genesis -- particularly the two points you summarized above -- The focus of this thread is Adam and the third day, but yes I did mention that in the opening post. The Heavens and the Earth were created in the beginning. They were created together, the unformed elements came about at the same time, but it is said in that order, heavens and the earth, and in general that is how it happened. Genesis is a summary. Stars were formed before the earth, but if you want to get down to the nitty gritty, yes the moon came after the earth, and you could also say some stars are still being born today. Based on your perspective you could say that the earth is part of the heavens. You could also say that the earth did not take on its current form with the separation of the land and seas until after the moon was created. No? That was part of the creation, forming of the earth, and the moon had effect on that. The Bible is accurate as a summary. I would agree that it is not meant as a science book, down to the nitty gritty, that is not the focus. So, I don't think there is really any argument here.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 640 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Actually, 'bara' does not mean 'create' per say. If you look at how that verb is used in Samuel, it is used as 'fatten' some oxes ,or fill up.
Therefore god began to fill up the heavens and the earth,not create.
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graft2vine Member (Idle past 4983 days) Posts: 139 Joined: |
ramoss writes: Actually, 'bara' does not mean 'create' per say. If you look at how that verb is used in Samuel, it is used as 'fatten' some oxes ,or fill up.Therefore god began to fill up the heavens and the earth,not create. Bara is the root word, and its meaning changes based on the verb stem. In Genesis 1:1 the stem is "Qal" and means to "shape, fashion, create". In 1Sa 2:29 the stem is "Hiphil" and the meaning changes "to be fat". Here is some help on Hebrew verbs: http://www.hebrew4christians.com/...uction/introduction.html
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autumnman Member (Idle past 5041 days) Posts: 621 From: Colorado Joined: |
It would be great, in my opinion, if we could get beyond Gen. 1:1 and actually begin learning how the author described the Deity's creative process.
Just an idea;Ger Edited by autumnman, : No reason given.
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humblepie Junior Member (Idle past 5829 days) Posts: 1 Joined: |
THE CHRONOLOGY OF GEN. 1 & 2
CREATION WEEK Gen 1:1 God created the heavens and the earth Gen 1:3 God said "let there be light" (day one) Gen 1:6 God said "let there be a firmament" (day two) Gen 1:9 God said "let the dry land appear" (day three) Gen 1:11 God said "let there be grass, herb and fruit trees" (day three) Gen 1:14 God said "let there be lights, sun, moon and stars" (day four) Gen 1:20 God said "let there be fish of the sea and fowl of the air" (day five) Gen 1:24 God said "let the earth bring forth the living creature" (day six) Gen 1:26 God said "let Us make man in Our image" (day six) Gen 2: 2 God rested and gave man the Sabbath. (day seven) The order listed above is very simple and chronological. You need light and air before plants, plants as food for the animals, and the planets before the Sabbath for the seasons and times Gen 1:14. CREATION WEEKBeginning with Gen 2:4 Moses seems to set up a new creation story. In verse 5 it states that no plants of the field and no herb of the field would grow until two problems were solved, a method of watering the plants and a man to till the ground. Verses 6 & 7 solve these two problems. Verse 6 says "but there went up a mist from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground," which solves the need for the rain problem. Verse 7 says "and the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground," which solves the need for a man to till the ground. In verse 8 & 9 a garden and every tree including the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil were planted. Verses 10 - 14 describes four rivers and their directions. Verses 15 - 17 describes the relationship between the man and the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Verse 18 shows mans need for companionship. Verse 19 God creates every beast of the field and every fowl of the air and brings them to Adam to name. Verse 20 man sees his need for a companion that more closely meets his needs in character and form. Verses 21 & 22 describe the creation of the woman from the man. Verses 23 - 25 shows the relationship between the man and the woman, and we end there. 1.A If we look closely at Gen. 2: 5 it is clear that before any plants or herb were going to becreated, the water problem needed to be solved, and a man to till the soil needed to be created. This came before the planting of the garden, which took place on day three. (see # 7). The word before appears two times in verse 5. The Hebrew word is terem, teh remi, which means: 1. to interrupt or suspend, 2. non occurrence, 3. not yet or before. I like the use of each of these terms. For example while God was creating light on day 1, the heavens on day 2, and the dry land on day three. we now have an interruption or a suspending of events to do something else: 1. to create a mist to water the whole face of the ground 2. create man to till the ground. Now God creates plants on day three, but for man’s benefit, in the form of a garden. The second definition, non occurrence, indicates that something had not or could not occur until something else was done, namely the mist and man’s creation. And the third definition, not yet or before, shows us that plants of the field and herb of the field would be created after other things were accomplished. 1.B The second word we want to look at in this verse is every. The Hebrew word is kol or kowl,kole. which means 1. whole 2.all 3. any 4. altogether, the same word for all used in Jer. 33: 8, "And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity." So the word every means that this is not a partial creation of plants done on some other day than day three or that the garden was created out side of creation week. This word every is the same word used in Gen 1: 31 "And God saw every thing that He had made...." And 2: 1 says "Thus the Heavens and the earth were finished...." Note the following three versions of Gen 2: 5 while as yet there was no field shrub on earth and no grass of the field had sprouted, for the Lord God had sent no rain upon the earth and there was no man to till the soil, (The New American Bible), the Catholic Bible. and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, (New International Version) there were no plants on the earth and no seed had sprouted, because he had not sent rain, and there was no one to cultivate the land; (Today s English Version) before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; (New King James Version) 1.C Since man and mist had to occur before every plant and herb would be created, and allplants were created on day three, this would put man’s very first possible day of creation on day three. Day one we only had light, and day two we have light and heavens, but day three came the earth from which man was formed and on which he could stand. 2. Gen. 2: 8 & 9 "And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put theman whom he had formed." So plants in chapter 2 came after the creation of the man. but in Gen1: 13 the plants were created on the third day, before man was created. In any other piece of English literature written this way, we would interpret, the garden being planted after the man Gen. 2: 8 3. Gen 2:18 And the Lord God said, "It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him ahelp meet for him." when I ask most people what God made next, they answered "Eve" or "woman." The verse says, And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them. So animals in chapter 2 came after the creation of man. But in chapter 1 the animals, starting with the fish and birds, were created on the 5th & 6th days before the creation of man Gen 1: 20 - 25. 4. In Gen 2: 21 & 22 God creates the woman out of the rib of man and brought her unto the man.Here it is indicated that the woman was created after the plants, after the animals and after the man. But in Gen. 1: 26, the woman and the man seem to have been created nearly at the same time. And God said, "let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." 5. Gen. 2:1 - 3 the Sabbath ends the creation week. Gen. 2: 21 - 22 Ends with the creation of thewoman and does not mention a Sabbath. Because chapter 1 is about the creation of the earth and the things there in, and it ends with the Sabbath. Chapter 2 is about the Creator s special attention to man and his needs during the week of creation, ending with the creation of Eve, for man s benefit. In chapter 1 we have, "And God said" at the beginning of each new creation using the Hebrew word elohiym, el-o-heem; for God, as in, "God Almighty." When He spoke. In chapter 2 we have, "And the Lord God formed," "Lord God planted," "Lord God took the man," "Lord God said," using the Hebrew word Yehovah, yeh-hovaw; for Lord God, as in a personal God, Who cared for the man during creation week. 6. Eve was not with the man in Gen 2: 7 when God formed man. Eve was not with the man whenGod placed the man in the garden Gen. 2: 8 & 15. Eve was not with the man when God gave instructions concerning the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Gen. 2: 16 & 17. Eve was not with the man when God said it is not good that man should be alone when God created the animals Gen. 2:18 & 19. For Eve was not created until verse 22. 7. It is clear that everything that was created was made during the first 6 days of creation andthat nothing was made after the 6th day, Gen 1: 31 & Gen 2: 1 this includes the garden of Eden, the tree of life, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which were created on day three, with the rest of the plants, and the four rivers, including the woman who s creation took place on day six Gen. 1:26. 8. In Gen.1 every time something was created, it wasn’t mentioned until the day it was finishedwith the exception of the heavens and the earth. 9. Gen.1 is primarily dealing with that which God created, while in chapter 2 the primary focusis on mans relation to God and that which God was creating, giving us two different topics covering the same period of time. 10. Notice Gen. 2:22, it is a fact that God made the woman after the man and this verse uses theterm "brought her unto the man." Gen. 2:19 uses this term also when God "brought the animals unto Adam, showing that what was created was brought to that which was already here. In both verses the word brought is the same in the Hebrew. 11. In Gen. chapters one and two there were three different ways in which God made something.A. From nothing. God would say "Let there be light," "Let there be a firmament," "Let there be lights." "And God made two great lights;" "He made the stars also." B. From something else. God would say, "Let the earth bring forth grass," "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life," " Let the earth bring forth the living creature," "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground," "And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air;" "And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made He a woman." Anything made on the earth was made from something already here. c. By moving something around. God would say, "Let the waters under the heaven be gather together unto one place, and let the dry land appear:" But in Gen. 1: 26 the verse does not say that man was formed from the dust, as in Gen. 2: 7, nor does God say, "Let there be man," as in other verses where He made something from nothing. It s like the verse is trying to say "Let us make the man who is already here in our image, by giving him a woman." The verse can mean the same as quoted above with out the added words if looked at in the same way. "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion." Mat. 19: 4 says, "And He answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made them, at the beginning made them male and female," Notice from the (New International Version 1 Cor.11: 8 - 12). 11:8. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man. 9. neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head. 11. In the Lord, however, woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. 12. For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God. Using the Hebrew meaning for the word make in Gen 1: 26 & 27, the verse can use the following words replacing make. "An God said, Let us advance man in our image" "An God said, Let us appoint man our image" "An God said, Let us bestow man our image" "An God said, Let us bear man in our image" "An God said, Let us commit man our image" "An God said, Let us ready man in our image" "An God said, Let us dress man in our image" "An God said, Let us fashion man in our image" "An God said, Let us finish man in our image" "An God said, Let us fit man in our image" "An God said, Let us fulfill man in our image" "An God said, Let us get man in our image" "An God said, Let us grant man our image" "An God said, Let us offer man our image" "An God said, Let us prepare man in our image" "An God said, Let us provide man our image" "An God said, Let us set man in our image" "An God said, Let us show man in our image" In Gen. 1: 26 & 27 the concern is with making the man in God s image and not with making man. Clearly there are other verses in the Bible that say one thing but we know the meaning to be something else, based on further study, such as. (Rev. 20: 10,) (Rev. 14: 11) (Luk 23: 43). Even the parable in Luke 16: 19 - 31. AND GOD SAID Well if you haven’t figured it out already, let me tell you what the 7 words were that God spoke to me that night at my friends house. "Man was created on the third day." Now just looking at the twelve points listed above we should be able to verify this to be true. Note the following. Q. Can we find other examples of Moses writing about a subject in one chapter then writing about it again in another chapter, but simply adding more information the second time around ? see point # 10. Yes we can, and here are a couple of examples just to name a few. Gen. 5: 1-5 here we start with the creation of Adam simply adding more information about Adam, like his age, and his sons and daughters. Lev. 18 is basically the same as Lev. 20 but in chapter 20 the penalties are added, which were not listed in Lev. 18. Gen 46: 26 & 27 are repeated in Exo. 1: 1-7 but with added information. The Passover is repeated many times. Exo. 12:3-28 and again Exo. 12:43-51 again in Lev. 23:5- 8, and Num. 9:1-14. Lev. 11 is repeated in Deu. 14 In Exo. 20: 1-17 we have the ten commandment law given, and a more detailed explanation of how the law should work in Exo. 20: 22 - 26 & chapters 22 & 23. notice worshiping other gods Exo. 20: 23, killing in Exo 21:12 -25, stealing 22:1, Sabbath Exo. 23:12 - Exo. 31:12-17 & Exo. 35:1-3 just to point out a few. If I were to ask a married man what he did at work last week he might say something like this, "I made cabinets, dug ditches, made sales," Any of these will work. But if I asked him what he did with his wife he might answer something like this, "we watched T V , went out to eat, played games with the children,picked out new furniture for the home." Two totally different subjects covering the same period of time. Man wasn’t mentioned on day three in Gen. 1 because the subject was not about man. The tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were there also but were not mentioned because the subject was not about the test of man, it was about the creation of the land and the plants, not man. Another reason that man was not mentioned on day three was that God was not finished with man yet. see # 9 Gen. chapter 2 verse 18 points out that man, a social being, needed a woman to be complete, that loneliness kept the man from being complete or happy. Adam himself recognized this in Gen. 2:20. Complete in the way that his need for companionship was satisfied with Eve. This now takes care of Gen. 1: 26, Man wasn’t in the image of God until the woman came along on day six. (see # s 7 & 8) And for the first time the plural relation of the Father and the Son is used When God said, "Let us plural make man plural in our plural image, after our plural likeness: and let them plural have dominion...." We worship a plural God who is a social God within the trinity or God Head, and a creator God who works together with Another in creation. John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made." When Eve was brought to Adam, a desire for companionship was satisfied. Jesus desire for sympathy and compassion was expressed in the Mount of Olives. Jesus came three times to the disciples hoping they had been praying, and to receive comfort at this crucial time of the Father s separation from the Son, which caused His greatest suffering. Adam felt a threat of separation when Eve sinned which caused him to suffer. Jesus also said, "if you ve seen me you’ve seen the Father, I and the Father are One." John 14: 9. A similar expression was made in Gen. 2:24, "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Children learn more about obedience as they see the mother obedient to the father than by most any other example. The same way we learn more about obedience to the Father through the Son’s example than any other source. The mother is often times called upon to mediate between the father and the children, as Jesus has become our mediator. A man and a woman in union with the Holy Spirit are in the image of the Godhead. As Jesus was the first begotten of the Father, so Eve was the first begotten of the man. One other point is that man was put to sleep on the sixth day and a rib taken from him that he might receive his bride the woman. Jesus was put to sleep death on the sixth day and pierced under His rib that when he awoke He would receive His bride, the Church. Another form of completeness occurred at the union of Adam and Eve for they now could create little people in their own image, which Adam could not do before Eve came along. And he cannot create except he create through Eve the same way the Father creates nothing except He creates through the Son and without the Son nothing is made. John 1: 2 From my point of view, this next statement should be pleasing to women. To know that man was not sufficiently in the image of God with out the woman. That together they constitute the image of the Godhead, both equal yet both having different roles as the Father and the Son have different roles in the Godhead. For some men this statement may bring them down a notch and for some women this statement may bring them up a notch Some men may have taken advantage of the meaning in Gen. 1:26 thinking that man alone is in the image of God, but the Hebrew word for man (Adam) can mean individual or mankind. Gen. 5: 2 states that God called their name Adam. Either way you look at it, Let us make man in our image or Let us make mankind in our image, or Let us make the man in our image by giving him a wife. The objective in verse 26 is to make man in the plural image of a plural God. Though man was created in the image of God, he knew something was missing after naming the animals, and felt incomplete and alone. Let me point out in the first half of Gen.1: 27 that man starts out in the singular, but the verse ends with the plural creation of them, referring back to verse 26 when the Godhead united in Their plural decision to share their plural creative powers with Adam by his plural union with Eve. If man were created on the sixth day, just think of all he had to do within a twelve hour period; because the first twelve hours were evening, which leaves only morning. He needed first to be created, Be placed in the garden, be given the instructions about the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, name all the animals, be put to sleep to have a rib made into a woman, and then name her. God could do this in twelve hours. But I see this as rushing man. Another good reason for man being created on the third day. Because on the third day man would be created, witness the creation of the trees and plants of the garden, and learn about the tree of life and the tree of good and evil. Day four man would witness the creation of the planets and the stars, and sense his need for companionship. For he was alone. Day five he named only the birds. (Gen.2: 19 & 20 does not say man named the fish). Day six he witnesses the rest of the animals being created from dust and names them. Adam sees that he is yet without a partner like himself. He is then put to sleep, and then awakes to meet the woman, who he then names Eve. Finally, when we have man being created on the third day of creation we not only have the Bibletelling us that God created the earth and every thing in it, and God making a claim that He made us and every thing around us. We have an eye witness in Adam, who saw God create the plants, the sun moon and stars, the fish birds and animals. Giving even greater emphasis to the creation story verses evolution. It s nice to know that we serve a God who is willing to give us evidence of His creative powers through an eye witness account of His creation. A God who gave evidence of His love through the life of His Son. A God who treats His creature as intelligent beings able to weigh the evidence. As He did on the road to Emmaus, when He hid His identity from the two disciples, until they came to an intelligent understanding of the lives work of the Savior of the world. Not expecting them to accept His own personal testimony that He was who He claimed to be. Luke 24: 13 - 35. And when John the Baptist sent his two disciples to Jesus, saying, "Are You the coming One, or do we look for another? Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Go and tell John the things you have seen and heard: that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the poor have the gospel preached to them. Luke 7: 19 - 23 Jesus did not say yes, I am He, but gave them the evidence.
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