Universe Race

Hi Son, Is the Universe like a bowl of whipped cream which has substance throughout.Or is it like the balloon where the universe is on the outside edge of the balloon with the galaxies like the ants crawling around on the outside.Thanks,God Bless,

Hi tesla, The big picture is the nearby active galaxy NGC7314. The inset picture is the diffuse X-ray emission from the distant cluster XMMU J2235.3-2557.Which is 10 billion light years away and would have been about 3.7 billion years after T=O.Amazing it could be 12 competely formed galaxies in only 3.7 billion years from T=O.You can find it HereGod Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Dr Sorry for all the anxiety Dr but this is a place I have a hard time trying to understand the standard model.I was privileged to spend 15 years in the beautiful Cayman Islands. While there I found a very wonderful spot on Cayman Brack on the Bluff. You could go there in the late evening or early morning and stand and behold this marvelous place in which we live. I loved to take the telescope and set it up and peer into the vastness of this universe. It did not make any difference which direction I looked morning or evening I could see all kinds of different stars.If the universe is like the balloon how is that possible?If it is like the bowl of whipped cream and everything scattered through out the whipped cream, I could understand seeing stars in every direction.If everything is on the surface of the whipped cream I don't.I guess my problem is I don't understand how expansion can take place in one direction from the T=O point.If you had a small pea and it began to expand from within and the exterior did not burst it would expand in all directions equally.Or did I miss something somewhere?Dr this is not a place to make fun of my ignorance as I plead completely and utterly guilty. I would much rather have information.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Thanks Percy, Percy I understand you look at your evidence and come to certain conclusions. But you do have to believe those conclusions don't you?
Or else you would not repeat them.I view my evidence and come to my conclusions and I believe them and therefore I am willing to repeat them. Percy I was not asking you to examine my religious beliefs.I did ask you to compare: This I will now call it my hypothesis.T=O = The energy that was there moved and everything begin to come into existence until creation was complete.Expansion = This energy then stretched out the universe.Dark Matter, Dark Energy = This energy holds the universe together.
(Without this extra mass the universe would fly apart)To the Standard Theory and explain the difference.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Percy, Percy this is several times you have made this statement that your conclusions are supported by the evidence.So lets examine a little bit of that evidence.T=O Gr breaks down and can tell us absolutly nothing about what is at T=O.I am told GR says it breaks down and that is a singularity.This is a false statement.If GR breaks down and can't say anything about T=O It can't tell you if a singularity, nothing or The Pink Unicorn is at T=O.http://EvC Forum: Before Big Bang God or Singularity -->EvC Forum: Before Big Bang God or Singularity The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404) Hawking said cosmology can not predict anything about the universe.
Unless it makes some assumption. Penrose and Hawking proved there SHOULD be a singularity in our PAST.Notice: They did not prove there was a singularity in our past. Hawking said Gr can't predict the universe.As I look at your evidence Percy there is none.You have to assume there was a singularity at T=O. There is no verifiable evidence that anything was at T=O.You have to assume there was a pea sized universe that expanded into the universe as we know it. There is no verifiable evidence of this pea sized universe that expanded into the universe as we know it.This being the case there is nothing to expand.Could you please present evidence for the above.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

DrJones, The math breaks down and can't say anything.Only your assumption produces a singularity.Present evidence not assertions.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

DrJones, Would you care to refute:The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404) Penrose and Hawking proved there SHOULD be a singularity in our PAST.Notice: They did not prove there was a singularity in our past. Hawking said Gr can't predict the universe.Or do you just intend to blow smoke?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Rahvin,I am not claiming the singularity is anything.I am saying it don't exist.I am presenting Hawking and Penrose testimony as evidence.Unless you assume a singularity,Unless you assume a pea sized universe,There is nothing to expand.Either refute the evidence or pass the baton.Your continual assertions just will not convince me.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Taz, Taz I tell you there is a God. You say prove it. I say you have to believe it by faith. You say yea more fairy tales.Now you and many others on here have told me several times the singularity is a not a physical thing. OKI have been told several times there is a universe about the size of a pea that expanded into the universe as we know it. I say oh yea where did it come from.I have been told we don't know. We just know that it is. I say well prove it.Then I am told we have done that a kazillion times. I say to that would you please reference one of those times.Better yet how about refuting the evidence I presented in Message 375God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Rob, Sometimes but I would say, I feel more pathetic than frustrated.Tunnel vision is a terrible disease.The worst part is I believe the universe came into existence Instantaneously.I believe the universe expanded because God stretched out the heavens.I know I believe this by faith.Everybody that keeps trying to correct my belief keeps telling me they have evidence for the creation and the expansion.When in reality all they have is faith it took place as they think it did.God Bless and keep up the good work,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

In Summation,I would like to express my appreciation of the summation Rahvin did as he did a marvelous job of presenting his beliefs.I had many questions at the beginning of the thread and I now have more questions than before. But since I am a Bible thumper I suppose that goes with the territory.I realize there were those who put forth their best effort during the thread to convince me that I was wrong in believing there is something wrong with the Big Bang Theory as presented here.But Gentlemen as a man that preaches doctrine at least 45 minutes a week I do recognize the doctrine of the BBT as taught on EcC. I just am not convinced of its authenticy.Especially when there are so many assumptions I would have to make before I could even start as I pointed out in several messages and one in particular Message 375.Is it possible that at a point in the past there was a universe that was much smaller than it is today, it was very hot, and that it began to expand. All the galaxies, stars, empty voids and everything we see today was produced over the past 13.7 billion years as has been presented in this thread?Sure it is possible. But it has not been established as fact and is not the best possible conclusion to be drawn as far as I am concerned.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."