Equating science with faith

This really depends on what you mean by "faith".Faith is: Action, based on belief, with no doubt to the outcome.An act of faith is: walking across your room.Typing on a keyboard.In science: its studying an item based on assumptions. the studying is an act of faith.Like walking across a room, or typing on your keyboard, you have assumed the room and you are real, and you have the real ability to perform the action, because you believe what your senses tell you.So also in science, you study your science, based on your belief in the science and its assumptions are true. Or true enough to scrutinize. And also in your math, that it is reliable. Because if no faith in reliability, you would not do the math.All acts in this life are acts of faith, the only question is; faith in what?In religion, men take faith in God. And worship him. And as written in the christian bible; if a man has the faith of a mustard seed in God, then if you tell a mountain to be removed, it will be removed. If you examine a mustard seed, you'll see it is a tiny item. but the mustard seed grows into a huge plant. Such a tiny seed, but big results. The seed has faith in its power in the earth, that in the right conditions it will grow. and it acts. It is a living item.So also would men's faith, in God, grow and bear fruit. But the faith is in Gods power, not in the power of man. And in science, it is faith in your own abilities, and not Gods. But it is still faith if you understand what faith is.Science is biased tho. It will take any probability and study it because it is "potential". But not God. When God is just as potential. The probability of a created universe from God is even more understandable than any logic saying that the universe farted itself out of nothing.Edited by tesla, : No reason given.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

belief is not faith.action based on belief with no doubt to the outcome is faith.if you had doubt about your ability to think, you would not have thoughts that you felt you could rely on.you have thoughts don't you? you are breathing and "living" arnt you? well...so that is how you know, but by your own faith in yourself. but when you accept an assumption , you are taking that assumption blindly. and then acting on it. that is faith because you do not have doubts of the assumption, or you would not be studying it.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

and all of science agree they are tentative. then look it up in Hebrew.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

The problem lies with the blind leading the blind.there is only one christ, one God, yet many interpretations.The Official Site of Pastor Melissa Scott, Ph.D. Study proofs of the Resurrection, the Apostle Paul, what Faith really means and more...here is one teacher i have enjoyed from time to time.when translating other languages, mistakes often happen from the translator imposing an opinion as to how the language is meant to be in context, since the text does not have periods or quotation marks or such.the English language is quite stupid. we drive on a parkway, and park in a driveway, we also have complexity, but few agree on how complexity should be defined.we have existence, which anything that exists is a part of. (but its not a REAL thing many say)and to exist is "being" and "being" is to exist.With this, how can i hope to make any sense to any of you?

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

Here is a better definition in English. Notice the action required.Faith - Wikipedia

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

I'm not killing faith. Faith is. It is faith in WHAT or WHO that is important.People act in the World and in science because they have faith in the world and their observations (tentative tho it may be) in science.But faith in christ, and faith in God is greater still, because there were those who seen Jesus and his miracles of even raising the dead, yet they did not believe, even as they saw it.God IS. Like air you breath IS. And what makes your relationship with him possible is KNOWING he is there. Which you CAN observe. Just like you observe in science. But until you know, and act in prayer, you will only have your faith in the world.The mustard seed is in the world. Its faith is that in the right conditions it will grow. but we can watch it grow. It IS tangible. But you are blind, and do not see that the miracle you witness in sciences and study is grown by the very faith of all that is. And the action of all, is faith. But the faith of the seed is in God. The faith of a man is in themselves and the world.This is the truth.Edited by tesla, : typo

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

All of the parts are relevant.You missed this part:

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

All that is exists only inside existence, which is the name of God.Nothing that IS is outside God, but God can cut off what he chooses from his body as it is written. We separate ourselves from him, but he is with us still until the day of judgement.I wrote the publican and the scientist, which explains that. everything you see, has come form God and is a part of his body.Here it is:The Publican and the Scientist:Setting: A small hill outside a bustling city. Two men are seated near a small tree, one is a publican, the other is a scientist.Publican: I wish it were possible to see God.Scientist: I see God all the time.Publican: What!? How can you say such a thing?Scientist: Energy cannot be created or destroyed. That means all that i see has come from the very body of God.Publican: With all the filth, and sin and evils in the world, do you really think that God would want that as a part of his body?Scientist: I do not claim to know why God does what he does, i am simply making an observation.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

You act on the BELIEF the room is REAL and that you can CAPABLY walk across it. Without this mental analysis and understanding, you would not be able to walk across the room if you did not fully believe you could do it.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

Communication is a two way street. If you don't know the math to install a floor, I can talk you you all day and you'll never understand until you admit there is something you do not understand, and make an attempt to understand it.If you understand, Then you'll know. But if is beyond your intelligence, what can i do about it?I am called the idiot, but this is simple to me. Who is correct? will it be only in the day that the earth is destroyed in fire and your soul on the edge of heaven or hell that you know? perhaps. perhaps for many.But if ONE comes to understand, God will find his glory, and perhaps i can escape hellfire by doing what i was asked. regardless of the pain i draw to myself from my action.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

All faith is because of evidence.So is your science. this quote comes from your own post in faith definition.My faith in God is also because of evidence.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

A name in other cultures and time's also represented what the person represented. IE: Joe Carpenter, Joe who is a Carpenter.An angel was once asked" what is your name?" And the angel replied: " Why do you wish to know my name? It is beyond your understanding."God was once asked by what name he was to be called before moses lead the people out of Egypt. And God answered (according to translation) as: "I am" tell them "I am" sent you.John 1:1 Say's in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word and God were one.Nothing is before existence. Nothing IS outside of existence.I can give you evidence. But you cannot know God any more than you can know your house exists. By faith of the evidence before you, that you believe, and act because you "know".In this way, do i "know" God's name as it is possible to know in the words of men. But as you believe, let that be true to you. And let God be the judge. I have no place besides what he Say's. So let what he Say's stand. And you take up your argument with him.I have said my peace. There is nothing more i have to give than what i have given on this topic.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

If this was true, There wouldn't be such heavy debates in science. Many scientists disagree with how the evidence is interpreted.Your alive, you do not deny that. You just deny it came from God. (as i know you to say)But like science, the evidence of God is based on interpretation of evidence. We all in effect, see what we want to see. We don't change our world view because someone Say's anything different. We change our world view when evidence makes sense to us.I didn't come to the boards with true faith. But having debated here, i found true faith. Because the evidence you deny cannot nor has ever been refuted, and most refuse to even acknowledge its potential. Such as the topic i tried to start, and as you and i discussed, left it to close.You can call science objective. Scientists object to another scientists reasoning all the time. But when the "board" makes a decision, everyone Say's: alright thats it. They made the decision. So this is what we will believe.But i say: Show me what i can believe, because science is many times wrong. So i will review science objectively. And if i find a question, that no one has an answer to: that doesn't mean its a stupid question. Nor am i stupid for asking. But it is UNKNOWN. And the rest is guesses. So i offer my best guess by the evidence shown, and i am called the fool for being objective.But as we all have our opinions of science; Who knows? You? Me? The purple dinosaur? God?You should be careful all of you who deny God openly. Because as you claim there is no proof to say he is, (While living and breathing in a huge universe that you have no idea how it could "exist"), Neither have you shown that he does NOT exist.Nor will you, because he IS. And it is not given to me in power to show you that you might have faith; because God works his way. And he will open your ears and speak to your thoughts and your heart if you know him. In this way, has he came to me, and shown me things i could not know. But its his power, not mine. So i am a fool. But my God is all knowing.I have nothing further to add to this thread, having said what i can; And the rest, we will all know in our deaths of this body, or the coming of the Son in his glory, whichever may come first.Gods will be done. So be it.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

If you do not understand that only things that exist is a part of existence, and that if its not part of existence, it does not exist; How can i have even the simplest conversation with you? And you understand anything i say?All of God stands before you everyday. But you only see what you want to see. So me telling you the truth is going to fall on deaf ears. Such as it did when mankind crucified the son, and slew the prophets. Tho they only did what was good, by healing, raising the dead, and saying what was true concerning God. But men are their own gods. And without existence, what are you going to be a god of?If you have the ability to understand my words, Then know and see by what i have said. If not: there is nothing more i can say to you. say your peace, as i have said mine.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

you claim to understand what i have said, yet still claim that you do not experience God.God is existence. all that is is a part of his body. all you need do is examine the truth of all that you see that you call "empirical".science takes faith in their observations of the world, and faith in their abilities to analyze the data.so. if you follow the logic of evolution empirically, you find that as long as 2 things are, before that is a relevant question. until you get to the ONE. which is existence.now, define existence, and you define the name of God. if you have ever read any of the debates I've had (which many have, and are tired of even seeing the word existence) then you know how i have defined it, and why. which should explain why the empirical, is proof of God, is because the universe (uni (one) verse) is Gods body. and we are like a cell in that body. the sayings of christ validate this. such as: "if your eye offends the, cut it out".it is the same science of observation that science has used in their math (which is funny, because they do not have all the variables of a point to measure expansion from because everything is in constant motion. so relativity can only work truly when you have established your own movements to put the other movements relative to ours: and then move our movements back to the age of what we are viewing to determine how they have moved as one in the same space time at different locations.)ie: view galaxy at 8 billion light years, track its movement, calculate current trends with variables of either speeding up or slowing down by its locations or outside interactions (never can be deduced perfectly because unknown elements could affect movement, such as meteors or planet clashes or births of stars etc.)now knowing (as best you can) what it is going to do by mathematical prediction, take this galaxies movements, the earth's movements, our star clusters movements, and any possible variables that affect our star cluster, galaxy, or solar movements, and reverse the order 8 billion light years.now; knowing where and how fast our galaxy would be in space time 8 billion years ago, compare that to what we are viewing in the galaxy 8 billion light years away is doing NOW (by 8 billion year old light) and you can get about the best picture of how the universe is moving.(well very tentatively)but science doesn't even do that. they just use a math comparing where these things move in relation to each other in different space-times, say how fast we are moving is irrelevant and call anyone who says different ignorant religious fools. (well, at least I've gotten that feeling from the debates on this board.)if you didn't understand any of this then here's a simple analogy on how easy it would be for our mathematicians to be taking there "empirical data" and it can only be faith.car a going down the road 30 miles per hr.car b passes at 30 miles per hr.the appearance of the cars moving away from each other is 60 miles per hr.but car A doesnt know there moving. they believe they have taken into account the 10 miles per hr they thought they were going. so they say the empirical data says the other galaxy is moving at 50 miles per hr. which isn't the truth. but they dont know that. they cant see there true speed, and take for granted they do know it. ie: faith.so i have offered absolute data by viewing existence.that nothing could exist, unless existence was.now whats reality? the truth of what exists. but its perceived with bias. so how you view it, thats what you say it is. but what exist has a reality that is the true reality, regardless what anyone says it is. so what is the truth?if you want any more form me concerning the law of existence, click my name look for the very first post i ever made on the boards: the law of existence.as far as faith: you'll have faith in what you choose to. Edited by tesla, : space-bar eating my sentences, why does it do that? sorry didn't fix my shift impairment *grin*

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides