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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: Lies. RATE's Ratty Results: Helium in ZirconsCD015: Helium diffusion from zircons RATE's Ratty Results: Helium in Zircons quote: Ah the whole conspiracy argument. There's not much can be said against a lunatic belief like that. But what's your take on the lack of any repeatable evidence and experiments by 'creation science.' Furthermore, why is there absolutely no commercial application of creationist geology? Magic anyone? Hocus Pocus? Open Sesame?
quote: France produces a huge amount of power from nuclear reactors. The fundamental basis for such power generation is uniformatarnism in radioactivity. Why would I reject such obvious truths? Have you seen the satellite images of France at night? Hint: it's bright due to nuclear power derived from the study of radioactivity which incorporates uniformatarnism. On top of that India (and the US to a lesser extent) is spending billions of currency units to commercialize and implement the thorium breeder reactor which is based on the assumption of constant rates of decay, one of the main principles of uniformatarnism. Why would we reject uniformatarnism when ENTIRE NATIONS have huge practical, tangible, energy producing programs that are fundamentally rested upon those assumptions? Furthermore, your 'one' example of how dating is wrong is a massive lie. And why wouldn't we accept it? What evidence suggest that uniformatarnism is wrong? Do you have evidence of a previous set of physical laws?
quote: Care to define 'allele' for me and repeat your claim with a straight face? Edited by obvious Child, : No reason given.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: Here's a hint: look up the byproducts of natural decay of radioactive elements. Then learn where many of these radioactive elements are. Oh the joys of education!
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
Could you define 'Cogenetic" for me?
As for sunset crater...more lies. Mt St HelensCD013.1: K-Ar dating of Mt. St. Helens dacite You're going to have to cite the Australia example.
quote: I'm going to try to explain to you something. Let's say you've made five batches of spaghetti over the course of a month. You've saved some of each, even then month old sample. Now if you mix all five samples together and ask someone to figure out how old the 'sample' is by tasting and smelling it, do you think they could do so accurately? This represents the giant fraud of creationists dating. They deliberately take non-cogenetic samples, test them knowing full well that they're going to get screwed up dates and call dating all wrong. In my example, you'd call the person's taste buds and nose screwed up because they couldn't figure out that the sample wasn't a mix of various samples. Edited by obvious Child, : link fixing
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
Not a single factual reply to how your examples are wrong.
The sad thing is, the lies you peddled were already refuted years ago.
quote: Since when was getting a fake degree from a diploma mill make you a 'scientists?' If I start my own fake college and start handing out BS in chemistry and biology to people on the street, does that make them scientists? Under your logic, yes.
quote: Opposed to assumptions based on what a book said so, with absolutely no evidence to support its claims?
quote: Organizes itself? What do you mean? Care to explain to me meiosis? It appears you are simply spewing stuff without actually understanding what you are saying in the hopes that something sticks. That's the glish glop.
quote: Apparently you believe that nuclear energy is 'faith based.'
quote: Did you even understand my example? Why is that you refuse to define 'co-genetic?"
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
quote: Then explain to me why all of the oldest light comes from one spec. Not observable you say? Why is that we have created the building blocks for organic matter from non-life in the lab? Non-repeatable you say?
quote: Except that your interpretation rejects the long time line that is commonly accepted. It also argues that radioactive rates were different back then. While conventional geology and science has built numerous practical applications based on Old Earth beliefs. XOM, Chevron, Shell, Sinopec, etc all use old earth geology. Why is that no one uses any creation interpretations for commercial applications? The true test for an alleged breakthrough is whether or not it can be used. Why is that absolutely no creationists breakthroughs have been capitalized on? it is perhaps because those interpretations are completely wrong?
quote: Then why is there no evidence for this? Magic? Goddidit? Hocus Pocus? Modern radiology is based on uniformitarianism. Nowhere in the science does it suggest that radioactive rates will change or that any burst if speed will occur. The same principles are built into commercial reactors. Why would states risk massive disasters if your 'idea' was feasible? Changing rates could seriously disrupt the reaction. Just look at the backers of these plants. Usually not atheists.
quote: Not at all. What experimental science has creationism done? (note you've still refused to define cogenetic.)
quote: Not at all. You don't want to deal with it because it blows an Arcturus sized hole in your belief.
quote: What? Uniformatarian assumptions have everything to do with that fact. They assume that these rates were the same in the past. Commercial application in finding some of these elements depends directly on finding elements that resulted from decay and visa versa. If these assumptions were false, why do mining companies use the assumed rates and go backwards? Clearly you are using a massively wrong belief on what Uniformatarism.
quote: I refuted every example you gave except for the Australian one, which lacked sufficent information to find any data on. Your sources which I assume to be the foundation for your beliefs are lies. I'm not saying you are lying, but your sources and their authors are. Snelling for example is notorious for using non-cogenetic samples and declaring all dating wrong.
quote: Where are you going with this?
quote: Yet where is the evidence for this rapid burst? Where is the evidence for its cause? Magic? Goddidit? Hocus Pocus? All your rational is based on MAGIC.
quote: We can based on evidence. You are arguing that historical data graphed from current trends are wrong because something the past may have been different. That's okay. What we are attacking your arguments on and what you have been repeatively warned about by the mods is your lack of any evidence. Where is the evidence to suggest different rates? Do you have any or is it all magic?
quote: Therefore we cannot convict anyone of murder without witness. Oh wait. That example has been used time and time again to refute the nonsense you gave.
quote: And when these assumptions are proved by commercial application, what do you have to say? Goddidit?
quote: Everything? No. I'm saying that the laws of physics haven't changed. That is very different from the things that the laws of physics act upon. Due to the massive lack of any evidence to suggest any differing rates, I reject your ideas. If you HAD evidence, you would have presented it.
quote: No, I don't think you do know what an allele is.
quote: That's your response to my refutation of your sources? Seriously.
quote: How about your refusal to answer basic questions? Or your running from your refuted posts? I'm very close to reporting you for using the glish glop.
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obvious Child Member (Idle past 4138 days) Posts: 661 Joined: |
1) You have no evidence to back up any claims you have made
2) You have no answers to our examples of how science is not faith based 3) You ignore how your arguments are proven false 4) You keep stating that science is faith based DESPITE warnings by the admin to back your claims up. 5) You fail to argue how practical application is subsantially different from the actual science and thus how the basis for the application is faith based If you have an evidence backed argument as to how science is faith based, make it. We're getting sick and tired of your "it's faith based, but I have no evidence to back my claims up"
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