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teen4christ Member (Idle past 5824 days) Posts: 238 Joined: |
seekingthetruth writes
quote:For someone that claims to be seeking the truth, you sure have a lot of falsehoods about evolution. Apparently, you also can't use the keyboard properly. quote:At this point, I would like to ask for your credentials in biological science. After all, in order to claim that evolution takes a lot of faith, you must have studied it rigorously, correct? Coiuld you give us an insight into your years of hardwork in biological research programs? quote:For someone that claims a lot of non-facts, you sure have a lot of strawman arguments to make. quote:Actually, yes you do need to say something.
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teen4christ Member (Idle past 5824 days) Posts: 238 Joined: |
antiLIE writes
quote:Nobody is trying to tear anyone down. It just that I have to question your background in this stuff because what you have said so far have been so off the wall I don't even know where to begin. You said in a later post that we like to use the word strawman a lot. Well, that's true. But it doesn't negate the fact that so far I have not seen anything from you but strawman. If you're going to criticize something, at least get to know it a little before criticizing it. Otherwise, you're just demonstrating the typical Christian attitude, and I say this as a faithful believer in Christ. A few months ago, I read an article that reported on a survey on people's perception of Christianity nowadays. A significant portion of people out there have the impression that Christianity walks hand-in-hand with ignorance, arrogance, and hypocrisy. I don't blame them for thinking that way. So many people nowadays who claim to believe in Christ also exhibit all of those traits.
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teen4christ Member (Idle past 5824 days) Posts: 238 Joined: |
Wumpini writes
quote:Percy didn't say 40% believe in naturalistic evolution from your article. He said, and I quote quote: Percy didn't say 95% of scientists believe in naturalistic evolution. Theistic or not, evolution is evolution. That's from your own article. http://millionfagmarch.com/ Date: March 30, 2008Time: 11:00 AM Where: Westboro Baptist Church, Topeka, KS Requirements: This is not a “gay-only” event. Just come with the ability to send a message to the WBC and Fred Phelps that intolerance is unacceptable.
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teen4christ Member (Idle past 5824 days) Posts: 238 Joined: |
Going backwards
Wumpini writes
quote:Both, actually. quote:Yes and no. Science is a natural tool whose only purpose is to investigate the natural processes. It cannot say one way or the other if there is a supernatural force behind the natural process under investigation. This is why many people would object to introducing a supernatural element into the laboratory. Science is unable to probe the supernatural element at all and thus nothing is achieved from inserting the supernatural into the laboratory. For example, when chemists first discovered the organic compound benzene, they couldn't figure out why the damn thing had 6 carbons and 6 hydrogens. Physical properties of carbon did not allow a molecule that has 6 carbons and 6 hydrogens to remain stable for long! This was a stumbling block for chemists at the time and it seemed to some people that the whole field of chemistry was about to be overturned. This was a very good time for some people to have pronounce that the reason benzene only had 6 carbons and 6 hydrogens was because of supernatural causes. And I'm sure some people did accept that it was God that allowed benzene to exist in a stable form. People eventually figured out that this was an aromatic compound. Progress was made not because we decided to insert a supernatural element. Progress was made because we decided to not give up with our natural explanations!. Personally, I believe in Christ. Does this mean that I absolutely have to attribute everything to "god-did-it"? Of course not. For all I know, God created the process of evolution and chemical properties for us (his children) to ponder about and figure out everything ourselves. God obviously created this vast universe with vast amounts of information for us to figure out. I believe that the moment we stop exploring possibilities (scientifically) and decide to use the "god-did-it" explanation is the moment we stop celebrating God's creation.
quote:No, I'm saying that faith in God and acceptance of a naturalistic evolutionary process doesn't have to be exclusive. My faith in God is strong enough that I don't need to delude myself that everything must have a supernatural cause in order for me to believe in God. Evolution is inevitable whether you like it or not. We have a natural explanation for the whole process. The theory of evolution has made stunningly accurate predictions. Anti-biotics is produced straight from proposed mechanisms of evolution. All of this has absolutely no bearing on my belief in God. Again, my faith is not so weak that I need to delude myself to believe that God has to have a hand in everything and that anti-biotics was produced by miracles rather than hard working scientists. Added by edit- Kepler was reportedly to have comment that if God was as great as He is suppose to be then his creation must be even greater than we can possibly imagine. How, then, do we reconcile with our over-simplified version of creation and at the same time attribute it to the God who is suppose to be all powerful and all knowing? If you look closely, you will notice that creationism as a movement is based on ignorance. They have an over-simplified version of creation. God poofed everything into existence as-is with his magic wand in 6 days and that's that. What exactly can we get from this model of creation except more ignorance? As a follower of Christ, I encourage you to take a step back and try to learn what you can the scientific progress that we've been able to make the last 150 years rather than continue to dwell on the over-simplified, ignorance based version of creation. The purpose of life isn't to remain ignorant. The purpose of life is to try to figure out God's works and wonders. Your choice, really. Edited by teen4christ, : No reason given.
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teen4christ Member (Idle past 5824 days) Posts: 238 Joined: |
Wumpini writes
quote:Here is my problem with what you are proposing. I believe that God is the ultimate engineer. I believe that He is the ultimate clock maker. What you are proposing is that He is not the ultimate engineer and that he has to get involved and use His magic wand to correct some things every once in a while. If God created the universe and all the laws of nature that govern the behavior of everything, and if He is the ultimate engineer of all these things, then everything that he created should be sufficient to explain everything that we observe. On the other hand, if God has to get involved and use His supernatural powers to fix up some things or influence our lives, then He is not perfect. This is the reason why Kepler pursued to come up with a better model for planetary motion. He reasoned that the church's model made God out to be too much of an impotent god because He had to constantly get involved in order to keep his creation going. Kepler believed that since God was the creator of all things and that what He created should be perfect then there should be some laws or behaviors that everything should follow and that no supernatural intervention should ever be needed. Wumpini, your image of God is extremely limited. You imagine God to be this incompetent engineer that has to constantly jury rig His creation to keep things running. Do you not see how some of us might have a problem with your limited view of God?
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teen4christ Member (Idle past 5824 days) Posts: 238 Joined: |
Granny writes
quote:Have you considered that perhaps the author of whatever book that was only wanted to visually demonstrate the size of a dino compared to human? Authors do this all the time. They'd draw out something ilke an airplane and then a man next to it to show people how big the airplane is. I know that creationists are nortorious for taking things out of context. Perhaps this is one instance?
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