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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: I don't know what's surprising. For a start they're all too wide to be considered "key points". The term "evolution" is almost always taken to mean biological evolution (as in "Darwin's theory of..."), unless context makes it obvious that that is not intended. On that basis: Since all of evolution is contained within biology, it is obviously absurd to call "biology" a key point of evolution. Calling evolution a key point of Biology would make more sense (and even then it ought to refer to the basic idea, not the whole theory) Microbiology is a subset of biology but essentially the same objections apply. Cosmology really has nothing to do with evolution at all. Or at least no more than it does with absolutely anything else. Geology doesn't have much to do with evolution either. Fossils at least relate to evolution, but even then they are evidence rather than a "key point". Edited by PaulK, : fix typos
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4628 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
antiLIE writes: So they have to involve these other scientific fields {fossils, geology, cosmology, microbiology, paleontology} in order to have evolution. (examples added from your post) This is certainly true if you mean that such fields are utilized for the purpose of furthering evidence for evolution. You can also include chemistry, physics, radioactive decay, dynamo theory and/or paleomagnetism, archaeology, and many others to your list. If you assumed for even one second that the Theory of Evolution where true... how would you suggest furthering our knowledge of its history without using any other field of science? What field does not utilize other fields? I don't mean just science, I mean anything? You aren't seriously suggesting that each and every one of the scientists involved in these fields has, for decades, been completely fabricating all of its data for the sole purpose of providing manipulated support for another fabricated field (evolution)? What is your point?
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1071 Member (Idle past 5839 days) Posts: 61 From: AUSTIN, TX, USA Joined: |
What are the 'keypoints of evolution'?
we have, One Family Tree unites all of life andSpecies change through time and place what else? Agent antiLIE of the AGDT 7x153=1071 [ VIII:XXIV] I klinamaksa exei afypnistei |
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2505 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
antiLIE writes: You saying that evolution is a fact, is the same as myself saying creation is a fact. Not really. Biological evolution is a phenomenon that can be observed, as I've pointed out to you on another thread. No-one has ever observed Allah or any other supernatural being creating anything. You seem to want to deceive yourself about this. Why? Surely being "antiLIE" implies a distaste for lying to yourself, as well as to others.
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1071 Member (Idle past 5839 days) Posts: 61 From: AUSTIN, TX, USA Joined: |
blugenes writes: Biological evolution is a phenomenon that can be observed, This is decietful. Only Microevolution can be observed. I do not deny that. Agent antiLIE of the AGDT 7x153=1071 [ VIII:XXIV] I klinamaksa exei afypnistei
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seekingthetruth Junior Member (Idle past 5843 days) Posts: 23 From: Austin, Texas Joined: |
bluegenes writes: Not really. Biological evolution is a phenomenon that can be observed, as I've pointed out to you on another thread. No-one has ever observed Allah or any other supernatural being creating anything. You seem to want to deceive yourself about this. Why? Surely being "antiLIE" implies a distaste for lying to yourself, as well as to others. Just as no one was there to witness the creation of the universe, or the first lifeforms on the planet. Just because soemthing is not witnessed does not mean it is not there. I would cite gravity and oxygen as examples. We cannot see them but we know they are there.
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
you are saying that fossils, geology, cosmology, microbiology, and biology are not key points of evolution... wow That is exactly what I'm saying. PaulK has done a nice job spelling it out for you in Message 31, but, just for the sake of clarity, here are some examples of what I do consider to be some of the key points of the theory of evolution;
How am I doing so far?
I just like pointing out the flaws of 'my side' of the argument as well. I see creation when I see the evidence. It is all about how it is presented. Seriously, that's great. I just think that your posts could do with a little more substance that's all. Just taking pot-shots at Darwinism doesn't really amount to an argument. Mutate and Survive
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1071 Member (Idle past 5839 days) Posts: 61 From: AUSTIN, TX, USA Joined: |
I just had an epiphany. I shouldn't even be on this thread. This is why; I do not even agree that evolution is scientifically possible. So I shouldn't be here discussing the key points to the theory... lol
[my last post on this thread] Agent antiLIE of the AGDT 7x153=1071 [ VIII:XXIV] I klinamaksa exei afypnistei
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
antiLIE, I am in agreement that this thread is probably not the best suited to your needs. Since you seem to have a problem with so-called "macroevolution", might I be so bold as to suggest that you peruse this thread, which directly addresses that very issue?
Mutate and Survive
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1071 Member (Idle past 5839 days) Posts: 61 From: AUSTIN, TX, USA Joined: |
*tips hat*
Thank you Agent antiLIE of the AGDT 7x153=1071 [ VIII:XXIV] I klinamaksa exei afypnistei
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I just had an epiphany. I shouldn't even be on this thread. This is why; I do not even agree that evolution is scientifically possible. So I shouldn't be here discussing the key points to the theory... Surely that's exactly why you should be learning how evolution works.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi antiLIE,
antiLIE writes: I just had an epiphany. I shouldn't even be on this thread. antiLIE on this site evolution and ToE is equal to biological evolution only. Nothing else is discussed as evolution. The thread Here will help you to understand how evolution is discussed here. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4926 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Platypus, many of us have tried to debate the topic of evolution under the definitions you mentioned only top be rudely told, no, "evolution" just means heritable change or something along those lines.
Is that the wrong definition of evolution? Alleles shifting in a population and all that....?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4926 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Biological evolution is a phenomenon that can be observed uh huh? Which definition of evolution are you referring to? Platypus's definition that all life stems from a single family tree or merely the fact things change?
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2669 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
Only Microevolution can be observed. I know this borders on OT, but I can't resist. In the past 20 years, a bunch of lizards have been observed to have undergone "macro"evolution. Page not found | ScienceBlogs
The cecal valves are an evolutionary novelty, a brand new feature not present in the ancestral population and newly evolved in these lizards. That's important. This is more than a simple quantitative change, but is actually an observed qualitative change in a population, the appearance of a new morphological structure. It's easy to see how body part + body part + ... = new critter. It's hard to see how creos could brush off evolution of a new body part as "micro".
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