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Brian
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Message 31 of 479 (469933)
06-08-2008 5:19 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Dave101
06-08-2008 5:00 PM


Re: Not another one
My answer Brian is ... Yes except bullied, that was always my enjoyment. :-)
My theory never fails to amaze me. I must have some built in detector or something.
Funny thing is Brian, People have been trying to debunk Christ for 2000 years... Just never happens.
It has been debunked mate, you just won't accept it.
He is here to stay.
The thing is He is not here to saty and hasn't been for 2000 years. What is here to stay are sad individuals who keep the fantasy alive. He is dead, he was ne messiah, deal with it and move on.
You should do some research into the resurrection.... It is one of the most documented events in the history of the world.
There isn't a single shred of evidence for the resurrection.
Even Harvard Law who tried to debunk it ended up admitting that after all the hype, all the misinformation out there, If taken to court today there would be ample evidence to prove that Christ was risen from the dead :-)
You don't really believe that fairy tale propaganda do you?
I don't expect you to believe Brian.
I used to, but once you grow up you are supposed to stop beleiving in fairytales.
I just state what I see as an event in the history of man that can not be refuted....
It has been refuted countless times.
Jesus did not rise from the dead, He was no messiah. there you go, refuted again.
What are you going to do on the day you face Him Brian?
Never going to happen
The cool thing about truth friend is that it is truth even if you don't want it to be.
Good advice mate, hope you realise it is a two way street!
By the way, I am not uneducated, I have degrees in both science and in surgical technology as well as certification in computers in the line of p.c. support specialist and help desk analysis.
Kent Hovind has a Phd and he is one of the thickest people on the planet.
Perhaps the real problem is just as God says and that man wants to worship the creature and not the Creator? What do you think?
Perhaps ancient myths belong in the past with the superstitious cultures they were invented in.
Insults will get you nowhere Brian... Be nice.
I am being nice.

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Dave101
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Message 32 of 479 (469934)
06-08-2008 5:20 PM
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06-08-2008 5:09 PM


Re: A Light at the End Of The Tunnel :-)
BTW, Human genetic research has proven that all humans came from ONE distinct set of parents. Who do you think these two were and how did they com into existence at exactly the right moment in time and at exactly the right place?
Someone wants me to ask this next question, his wife wants to know, ... if we evolved from monkeys.... why are there still monkeys? Just wondering...

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Brian
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Message 33 of 479 (469937)
06-08-2008 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Dave101
06-08-2008 5:20 PM


Re: A Light at the End Of The Tunnel :-)
Dave, when I speak about God, I do not acknowledge His existence, I refer to a fictional literary character that people such as Ian and yourself are deluded into thinking is real.
if we evolved from monkeys.... why are there still monkeys?
You aren't really a science graduate at all are you.

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Dave101
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Message 34 of 479 (469938)
06-08-2008 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Brian
06-08-2008 5:19 PM


Re: Not another one
Yes you are being nice :-)
I don't know a lot about Kent Hovind but I did see him debate at Berkley once. I can assure you that the ones he debated don't think he is "thick" He pretty well tore them a new one if you know what I mean. I also saw him debate a guy that wrote a book called "How to Debate a Creationist and Win" What we learned is that the guy really didn't know how to win after all ...
What is the date today? What year? What is that year based on? Does it have anything to do with Anno Domonie? (I probably spelled that wrong...) What does B.C. mean? Why are there over a billion misguided Christians and another billion misguided Catholics on the planet? Why is 95 percent of the human race delusional about the existence of God? Are you sure you disbelieve or is it a matter of something someone did to you and you blame God for letting it happen. By the way, we are all criminals in Gods eye Brian. That is why I answered yes. We are all prisoners of our sin and degradation. (degradation according to Gods' standards, not ours)
So, Whats really going on here?????

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Dave101
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Message 35 of 479 (469940)
06-08-2008 5:42 PM
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06-08-2008 5:29 PM


Re: Not another one
Sooo... You are in Scotland? Or is that just an alias location? Tell me something about it? I was military once and my ship went to Holy Loche but that's all I know of it...
What is the main Christian faith there? Other than the Catholic Religion?

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bluegenes
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Message 36 of 479 (469941)
06-08-2008 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Dave101
06-08-2008 5:09 PM


Another boy with imaginary friends.
Dave101 writes:
I still get to talk to God about ya no matter what you say. I think I'll talk to Him right now about you and Brian. I see a real need there...
There there, little Davy. You have a nice talk with your invisible friend. Then, when you've done that, don't forget to write to Santa and tell him what you want for Christmas, as it's never too early. Then, ask the people in white coats if they'll give you a nice sedative, take you away from the computer, and strap you to the bed for the night.

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Dave101
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Message 37 of 479 (469943)
06-08-2008 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Brian
06-08-2008 5:28 PM


Re: A Light at the End Of The Tunnel :-)
Yes I am, I just refuse to become tasteless and I have a very warped sense of humor. There is no reason to take science so seriously that life cannot go on and be fun. After all, what we think in science today as irrefutable fact, will tomorrow be laughed at as ridiculous and foolish. As humans we go through this all the time. We get to a point where we think we are so smart.... then someone drops a new hint and we find out that we really don't know much at all in the grand scheme of things :-) So tell me friend... why are there still monkeys if they evolved into humans? Or... is it really possible that we actually never did swing through the trees by our tails... ahhh... vestigial structures... now there is a great debate!!!

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Dave101
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Message 38 of 479 (469946)
06-08-2008 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by bluegenes
06-08-2008 5:46 PM


Re: Another boy with imaginary friends.
Do you think maybe thorazine from a person in a bunny costume might be ok? Maybe the bad man will go away then?
Seriously now, Santa is me, I have 6 kids... well, only one left now, the rest are moms and dads themselves so in a real way they are now also Santa... Funny thing, with all these santas... we all still only believe in one GOd... As for killers... how about that Hitler? Or Sennacherib or Nebuchadnezzar. All the family's of Khan or even Locusta the Witch, She poisoned a million herself... Hitler was a direct result of evolutionary thinking, the other two were pawns in that God thing you don't seem to like... What about all of the Archeology that supports biblical teachings? Are they a false science because they disagree with non-deity folks? What would it take to make you think deeply on this? Tell me about the rods and cones in your eyes and why they could not have evolved? Even evolutionists admit this to be a huge problem to them. I am not a Christian because I am stupid. I have studied much and weighed the evidence and it points to a creator friend. I know the idea is not popular, but reality very rarely is. I also do understand Brian's comment on truth going buth ways. I have, and continue to study everything as I see fit. I do not reject things out of blind ignorance nor do I accept them the same way. I know whom I believe in... Also, Brian? There are over 5500 documented pieces of evidence on the resurrection outside the bible.... Most from people of impeccable reputation who hated Him while He was alive and did not want Him to be who He claims to be or who the bible claims Him to be. That book has been around for a very long time and is still the number 1 book sold on the planet... Why do you think that is? ,,, more delusional thinking probably... Just thinking through my fingertips..

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Dave101
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Message 39 of 479 (469947)
06-08-2008 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by bluegenes
06-08-2008 5:46 PM


Re: Another boy with imaginary friends.
Do you think if I asked santa to offer you salvation from sin he could do it? I'm asking him right now....
Edited by Dave101, : No reason given.

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Brian
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Message 40 of 479 (469948)
06-08-2008 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Dave101
06-08-2008 5:47 PM


Re: A Light at the End Of The Tunnel :-)
So tell me friend... why are there still monkeys if they evolved into humans?
Who claims that monkeys evolved into humans?
I am in Scotland, a town called Falkirk, which isn't too far from Holy Loch.

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Dave101
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Message 41 of 479 (469949)
06-08-2008 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Dave101
06-08-2008 5:29 PM


Re: Not another one
Brian, I forgot to ask... your theory... what is it? Something along the line of us little people needing to be saved from ourselves so if ther is a specific group of people out there who have done wrong or just aren't really smart that they get delusional and come up with some kind of "God" need or complex? I would really be interested in this theory... Could you take time to tell me?
Thanks
Dave101

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Brian
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Message 42 of 479 (469950)
06-08-2008 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Dave101
06-08-2008 5:59 PM


Re: Another boy with imaginary friends.
There are over 5500 documented pieces of evidence on the resurrection outside the bible.
Name one.

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DrJones*
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Message 43 of 479 (469951)
06-08-2008 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Dave101
06-08-2008 5:20 PM


Re: A Light at the End Of The Tunnel :-)
Human genetic research has proven that all humans came from ONE distinct set of parents
Care to cite said research?
abe: in an appropriate thread
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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iano
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Message 44 of 479 (469952)
06-08-2008 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Brian
06-08-2008 5:08 PM


Re: What is God's purpose?
Brian writes:
But why would He have to be present ”after’ to know the ”before’?
He wouldn't have to be. I'm suggesting that as one way to know the 'before'. There are other ways. A determining God is another way, for instance. Knowing all because you are in control of all possible angles. The God-of-puppets kind of God.
If this is the model you're working off then I can't see cause for complaint. You are a puppet as am I. We are saying and doing what the strings determine we must do. Your digust and horror aren't yours. They're just him pulling your strings.
You might have another model going as to how God knows all. You never actually said what it was. Before moving on to the rest of your post, perhaps you could share the "method by which God knows all" you're basing your condemnation on. If neither of the above mentioned.
This..
It doesn’t matter if God is a determining God or not, the point is we have a God who knows everything
... will not do. Punch and Judy don't get to "complain"

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Dave101
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Message 45 of 479 (469953)
06-08-2008 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Brian
06-08-2008 6:08 PM


Re: A Light at the End Of The Tunnel :-)
Falkirk! That's just too cool!!! This computer stuff is really great! I get to argue with a guy in another country!!! I love it! It is (or was) a very popular teaching that man evolved from apes. (or monkeys). As time goes by and evolution gets more holes in its theory these things get modified. A very famous evolutionist in Europe was asked why he holds onto this theory and his answer was "because if evolution is wrong then that means we are designed creatures by God and this would mean that we are morally responsible to that creator... and this to me is unthinkable". I really did ask the monkey question simply because a guy at work, when I told him of this site asked me to ask that question because his wife wants to know...

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