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dwise1
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Message 3 of 12 (427417)
10-11-2007 11:51 AM
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10-11-2007 4:59 AM


If truth is supposed to be so vitally important to them, why do they rely so heavily on lies? In particular, I'm thinking of the repeated and constant lies and deceptions found through out "creation science" for the entirety of its nearly-four-decade existence. And of the leaders of the movement purposefully crafting those lies and deceptions and continuing to propagate them long after their falsehood had been exposed to them over and over and over again.
How is the truth supposed to be upheld and served by lies and deception?
And how could anyone with even a shred of morality consider converting to a religion that can only be supported by lies and deception? "Creation science" and culture of lies and deception that it promotes is an excellent argument against Christianity, not just because of the lies and deception but also because it shows how eagerly and zealously Christians will swallow anything they're told by their religious leaders and how desparately they will struggle against the truth.
If they really want to serve truth, then they must seek out and adhere to the truth. That requires that they examine and test their own claims and assumptions, something that they refuse to do. But until they do that, they will continue to serve the Lord of Lies, the only Christian deity I've heard of who, according to my understanding of Christian doctrine, is the only one served by lies and deception.

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dwise1
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Message 9 of 12 (470679)
06-11-2008 9:23 PM
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10-11-2007 4:59 AM


Since someone else has already responded to an old post:
A recent UCLA dissertation showed that of the college freshmen who identified themselves as "born-again" when they entered college, only 50% identified themselves that way when they graduated!
Hmm, not doing as bad as I heard Hovind tell.
At No webpage found at provided URL: http://members.aol.com/dwise1/cre_ev/quotes.html#75_PERCENT I quote from one of Kent Hovind's seminar tapes that used to be on-line (itself a quote which I'll cite here and links to whose sources are at the link I provide above):
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"Let My Children Go" video by Caryl Matritiano of Jeremiah Films, as quoted by Kent Hovind on his fourth seminar tape at 42 minutes and 55 seconds:
"75% of all children raised in Christian homes who attend public schools will reject the Christian faith by their first year of college."
I'm sure that Hovind and Jeremiah Films and that Summit Ministries FAQ all want to interpret that as meaning that the godless schools are targetting the faith of their kids for destruction.
But I interpret it quite differently. I see it as resulting for those children's eyes being opened to the truth about science and other subjects and realizing that for their entire lives their parents and their church had been lying to them about everything! Having heard and read several testimonials by atheists, the single most prevalent feature in the testimonials of the anti-religion atheists was that their religion and religious leaders had lied to them or had betrayed them in some way. I just see those two reports by evangelicals about the loss of faith in college as further support of what those testimonials said. Those evangelicals really should trying actually talking with atheists so that they can find out what's really happening.
BTW, one of the more humorous deconversion stories was from a former Baptist. Raise strict Baptist his entire life, he started attending college where he met and started dating a Catholic girl. He really liked her and it made him feel just awful for her that she was going to Hell for not being a "true Christian". Then on one date she started crying uncontrollable and as he tried to comfort her she blurted out that she really liked him and she felt just awful for him that he was going to go to Hell for not being a Catholic.
Hello!!! This got him thinking and questioning. So he went into the college library and asked for a complete history of Christianity. The librarian warned him that he really didn't want to read it, but he insisted. It took him a month to read through that entire thick book. When he finished he decided that he wasn't sure anymore if that was a God, but if there was, then He sure as Hell wasn't Christian.

{When you search for God, y}ou can't go to the people who believe already. They've made up their minds and want to convince you of their own personal heresy.
("The Jehovah Contract", AKA "Der Jehova-Vertrag", by Viktor Koman, 1984)
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the world.
(from filk song "Word of God" by Dr. Catherine Faber, No webpage found at provided URL: http://www.echoschildren.org/CDlyrics/WORDGOD.HTML)
Of course, if Dr. Mortimer's surmise should be correct and we are dealing with forces outside the ordinary laws of Nature, there is an end of our investigation. But we are bound to exhaust all other hypotheses before falling back upon this one.
(Sherlock Holmes in The Hound of the Baskervilles)
Gentry's case depends upon his halos remaining a mystery. Once a naturalistic explanation is discovered, his claim of a supernatural origin is washed up. So he will not give aid or support to suggestions that might resolve the mystery. Science works toward an increase in knowledge; creationism depends upon a lack of it. Science promotes the open-ended search; creationism supports giving up and looking no further. It is clear which method Gentry advocates.
("Gentry's Tiny Mystery -- Unsupported by Geology" by J. Richard Wakefield, Creation/Evolution Issue XXII, Winter 1987-1988, pp 31-32)
It is a well-known fact that reality has a definite liberal bias.
Robert Colbert on NPR

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