Gay Marriage

And yet gay couples have sex all the time...proving once again that you have no clue what the hell you're talking about. So actually being allowed to marry the person of your choice...another consenting adult...is just a frilly and silly exercise with no importance or real meaning? I mean hey, I realize that to you marrying for love was obviously not part of the plan (who knows, maybe you were just trying to rip off Social Security), but why do you want to deny that choice to homosexuals? No need to answer, Hoot Mon, it's a rhetorical question... we are all aware of your paranoid delusions about Social Security as well as that icky feeling you get at the thought of two guys kissing. All perfectly valid reason to be a homophobic bigot, but not really valid enough reasons to take a crap on our Constitution.And let me ask you this, Hoot Mon. You keep claiming that you have nothing against homosexuals...that you think Civil Unions (CUs) should be allowed...and that these CUs should be equivalent to "marriage". If that's truly the case, then why did your even bring up the crappola about Social Security? It seems to me that if you really want CUs to be the same in every way to marriages (except in name), then your BS about Social Security would be a moot issue, as CUs and Marriage would be the same fucking thing. So why do I get the feeling that you've been lying to us the whole time...that in reality you do not want equivalency...what you really want is to deny homosexuals some of the potential benefits of marriage. Correct me if I'm wrong, Hoot Mon. Explain to me why SS is a concern for you if homosexuals are allowed to get married as opposed to getting "Civily Unioned".Edited by FliesOnly, : No reason given.

So like I said...despite all your bullshit about not carry if homosexuals are granted civil unions...you actually do care and quite obviously fear such a thing happening. And for really valid reasons too. According to you; "them crazy homos are going to exploit the system....that's the only reason they want to married in the first place...and God gave only us heteros that right. Stupid homos, thinkin they can exploit the system and use up my SS benefits." Yeah...cuz only us white trash "other fuckers" are allowed to exploit the system, man.Why do you even bother claiming to not be a homophobic bigot? Seriously, Hoot Mon, you're pathetic.

Wow...I've never been called a troll before...thanks. I feel so honored to be called a troll by someone like yourself.And I also really love the part about "Hate Speech" Priceless, CS priceless. I try to point out the utter hypocrisy being put forth by you two (primarily) and it gets called "hate speech" You guys crack me up.You guys totally dilute the meaning of words and phrases to the point of worthlessness with all your crying about hate speech and bigotry and being a troll My suggestion for the two of you would be a dictionary and some common sense.

See, here ya go again. Out one side of your mouth you keep giving us your line about how gays should be allowed civil unions (but not marriage). Of course, these civil unions are exactly the same as marriage in every way but the name, cuz you have nothing against homosexuals.Then, out of the other side of your mouth keep showing us your hypocrisy by claiming that by allowing gays to get "married", social security will take a big hit.You should try sticking to one homophobic fear at a time, Hoot Mon...it makes you look less like a two-faced homophobic bigot, and more just like a plain ol' homophobic bigot.

But you don't want equality...you've effectively said as much with your bullshit Social Security nonsense. You are aware that we can go back and read your previous posts again...yes? They don't magically disappear one they're read...you do understand this...yes? Are you kidding me? You haven't answered anything. You have merely spouted homophobic nonsense. You are entitled to your opinion, but we've been asking for factual support of your many homophobic claims...and you have thus far provided none.

Nobody is pushing it into your face, Hoot Mon. Correct...as I have pointed out again and again and again. Having an opinion (even when it's the polar opposite of mine), is NOT what makes you a homophobic bigot. Rather, you are a homophobic bigot because you want to deny homosexuals the right to marry the person of their choice (between consenting adults). You want to deny them the rights afforded them by the 9th and 14th amendments. In addition, you keep using childish terminology when discussing the issue. You are completely hypocritical in your nonsensical bull shit about not having a problem with gays...except when they're married...cuz then they're gonna rape the Social Security system. And when I point out your blatant hypocrisy, you completely avoid the issue and instead call me a bigot...(as if the word really has any meaning to you). That is why I, for one, keep calling you a bigot. Hell, Hoot Mon, we cannot even explain to you what bigotry is, so how the hell do you expect us to help you understand where it ends?But here's an idea. Quit trying to deny homosexuals the same rights you have (as described by the 9th and 14th Amendments), and as far as your own homophobic bigotry is concerned...you will have gone a long way towards ending it.

Have you read anything...anything at fucking all that I have written in response this immature claim you keep making? Anything...at...all? Have you read anything...anything at fucking all that I have written in response this immature claim you keep making? Anything...at...all?

I have a difficult time believing that you did, in fact, read anything I have posted to you. But maybe you did. However...did you actually understand any of them? My guess is "no". Do me a favor...read this next sentence very slowly and see if maybe you can understand the meaning of the words.You are NOT a bigot for disagreeing with me.Let me repeat, but I'll word it in a slightly different manner just in case the meaning of the previous sentence was too difficult for you to understand:Disagreeing with someone does not make either one of them a bigot.And one more try, on the outside chance that even the meaning of that sentence was beyond your grasp:Bigotry is not about a simple disagreement.Got now Hoot Mon? I don't consider you a bigot because you disagree with me. You are a bigot because you want to deny homosexuals the same rights that you have. You are intolerant towards their lifestyle. I do not for one second believe you when you tell us that you have nothing against homosexuals. You have been nothing but insulting in virtually every post you have written. And I'm not talking about being insulting towards me. I could not care less if you insult me. You have used derogatory terms about homosexuals repeatedly, and act as if no one is insulted by them.But again...that's not why I call you a bigot. You are a homophobic bigot because you want to deny homosexuals their Constitutional rights as granted by the 9th and 14 Amendments.And for the love of God, please stop with the "But they have the same rights I do" argument. You said that you had read my previous responses (to this rather weak argument on your part)...so you KNOW what I'm taking about when I talk of gay marriage. It's the rights that come with marriage. As Rrhain put it: marriage is about designating your next-of-kin. And we all know the ramifications of that...so stop with the "but I can't marry a man either" crappola and see if for the first time in over 700 posts you can respond with why you believe that homosexuals should not be allowed to have the same rights as heterosexuals?Remember, please refrain from responding with your tired ol' "but they do have the same rights" and instead address the concept of next-of-kin and why homosexuals should not be allowed to do this with marriage, like you and I can. Completely untrue...but you would know this if you had read anything I have previously written about why I consider you a bigot. But maybe, with hope, you will read (and understand) the above stuff and finally understand why I consider you a bigot.

Put it to a vote...you're serious? Wow...over 800 posts and you still don't realize that we have a Constitution. Unfuckingbelievable. But not too surprising. And once again...bigotry is NOT simply disagreeing with someones opinion or belief. I swear to fucking god...you people truly need to learn what the word means before for the...oh I don't know...three hundredth fucking time...you misuse it. I mean, seriously...are you just playing stupid to get a rise out of people or are you truly incapable of reading and understanding what we have been telling you for months now. Bigotry is NOT...read that again...is NOT simply disagreeing with someone. Fuck!!

Thanks. Well, first off...I wasn't cussing at you...I was cussing at Nemesis Juggernaut. And I was cussing at Nemesis Juggernaut because he has been involved in this thread (and I think even its predecessor) for quite a while now and the definition of Bigotry has been explained numerous times. So he was just being an ass...and to be honest it gets on my fucking nerves when someone continually repeats something that has be explained to be untrue...as NJ did in his response to you. Yeah...OK. No...you have found disagreement.You see, Artemis Entreri...We am NOT intolerant of your position. If we were, then we would state that you're not (or that you should not be) allowed to post that opinion. Have any of us done that...anywhere...at all? I think not. So again, learn what the word means before using it.

I'm confused. You complimented my vocabulary...I agreed and thanked you. What does that have to do with either peer review or a science forum (we are in, by the way, a non-science section of the forum)? Why is this so difficult?Catholic Scientist and many others are called bigots because they do not want two people of the same sex to be allowed to marry each other. They deny homosexuals the same rights that they themselves are afforded. See...they're intolerant. It's OK to not agree with same sex marriage. It's when you want to deny marriage to homosexuals that you become a bigot.Now do you see the difference?

You're kidding, right? Maybe you should take a Civics class or something. I do belive that the U.S. Constitution trumps all State Constitutions. And as such, those pesky 9th and 14th Amendments keep rearing their ugly little heads.

Let me get this straight. You don't care if two people of the same sex get married? Actually married. Not a civil union...but married?You're against DOMA. You don't agree with States passing new laws, redefining marriage, or amending their Constitutions to disallow gay marriage. You have been actively trying to repeal such laws and new definitions and have certainly spoken out and/or written your State and Federal Congressmen as well as you State and Federal Senators telling them that you are against any such bans on gay marriage.Do I have this correct?

Look, this really isn't that difficult. As long as I am not actively trying to prevent you from expressing your definition, then it is not bigotry. Now, keep in mind that that doesn't really allow you to make up a definition just to suit your fancy. I mean, you can't just redefine bigotry to mean simply a matter of disagreeing with someone, and not expect me to call you out on it.Edited by FliesOnly, : No reason given.

I find this a bit difficult to swallow. Your next quote is the reason why I find this difficult to swallow. You, on the one hand, claim that you're fine with two guys getting married...married in exactly the same way the two members of the opposite sex can get married. And then on the other hand, you claim to be in support of a law that prevents two guys from getting married. Do you not see any contradictory behavior here? Prior to DOMA and all of the "new" States laws the now define marriage as being between one man and one women, the laws didn't define them as such. Therefore, two guys could get married. Homophobes got their panties all in a bunch over the idea of two guys getting married and changed the definitions of marriage to specifically prevent such a terrible thing from happening. How is that not redefining marriage? It now says something that it previously did not. Not according to that stupid, pain in the ass Constitution that you seem to be forgetting about. Yeah...that's the point. To sit there are say that because you are not actually, physically doing something to stop this homophobic discrimination, that you are somehow or another absolved of being called a bigot is a bit of a stretch of the definition of bigotry, don't you think? Especially in light of your admission that you support DOMA and your belief that States should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they want to accept or recognize gay marriage.You just seem to be a big bag of contradictions.You want to allow gay marriage
Yet, you support laws the prevent gay marriageYou don't consider yourself a bigot because you don't "actively" prevent gays from getting married.
Yet, you also don't 'actively" do anything that would allow for gay marriage.You support our Constitution.
Yet, you say it's OK for States to ignore it and set their own marriage laws.Strange.