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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4173 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: How is that possible? I need a bit more of an explanation here, Catholic Scientist. How can you both support and yet not support the same thing? It's like saying: "I support laws preventing murder, but I'm OK with it if someone murders someone else".
Nope, they’re not mutually exclusive. Supporting DOMA doesn’t necessitate that I not be fine with two guys getting married and being fine with two guys getting married doesn’t necessitate that I oppose DOMA. Catholic Scientist writes: Oh come on now...this is getting ridiculous. To say "they needed judicial interpretation" is pathetic. What this means, of course, is that once homosexuals decided to marry, their right to do so was challenged and States passed laws and amended Constitutions to forbid it. Of course, the "judicial interpretation" has pretty much consistently been that homosexuals do indeed have the right to marry a member of the same sex. The needed "judicial interpretation" to get back that which was improperly taken from them.
Except, they couldn’t. They needed legislation and/or judicial interpretation in order to get married. Catholic Scientist writes: And this makes them not homophobic how? If they did not fear homosexual marriage, then why did they fear having to recognize homosexual marriage. Seriously Catholic Scientists...you are amazing in your ability to contradict yourself in consecutive sentences and yet deny any sort of contradiction.
They’re not necessarily afraid of gays. What they feared was one state being forced to recognize the marriage from another. Catholic Scientist writes: Bwa ha ha ha! I love that..."what it meant". Of course...not "what it said". They felt the need redefine marriage because it previously did specifically state "between one man and one women". So again, thanks for admitting (in your own, contradictory way) that I was correct.
What it says now is the same as what it previously meant. Catholic Scientist writes: Well on this we finally agree.
Maybe by your interpretation but not by mine. Its up to the SCOTUS. Catholic Scientist writes: It's hard to understand you in any other way.
You’re just misunderstanding me. Catholic Scientist writes: Now I'm completely confused. Your OK with gay marriage, but you don't want to allow it. And there's no contradiction there...correct?
I have no desire to allow gay marriage. Catholic Scientist writes: Well, thus far the Courts seem to be disagreeing with you on this one. States wouldn’t be ignoring it. Edited by FliesOnly, : No reason given. Edited by FliesOnly, : typos
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4173 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Artemis Entreri writes: I just asked my toaster to marry me. He didn't respond. So I then asked him to sign a marriage license and pre-nup. Again...no response. of course its not,... How many times do we need to remind you of "consent". Christ, it's like dealing with a thread full of Leonard Shelbys. So enough already with the stupid comparison between homosexual sex and tree sex, child sex, animal sex, and now a new one...toaster sex.
Artemis Entreri writes: And likely to eventually be called Unconstitutional.
Its called self determination.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4173 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: No...the premise changes nothing. You guys still want to make the stupid comparison between homosexual sex and sex with trees, and kids, and animals, and now, apparently, toasters.
You failed to notice one of the premises... Catholic Scientist writes: Blah, blah, blah...whatever. Yeah...us stupid whiny libs...sticking up for and defending our Constitution. Damn us to Hell, how dare we love our Country so much that we're willing to speak out when we disagree with discrimination based solely on sexual orientation.
Hell, one day the libs will probably find the Constitution to be unconstitutional.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4173 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: Then could not this person also consider murder something that could be legal? If they have no objection to it (as you claim you have no objection to homosexual marriage), then why not just allow murder and not worry about the law? If they have a reason for wanting to keep murder illegal (morally or otherwise), then your premise (as I understand it) fails.
Right. A person could consider murder something that should be illegal all the while having no moral opposition to it. Catholic Scientist writes: You keep saying this, but if it wasn't a legally binding definition then who gives a shit? Courts don't work off of "implicit definitions". Marriage only needed to be redefined once homophobic bigots decided that they had to prevent two guy from marrying each other. Seriously, if you don't give a shit if two guys marry each other, why do you feel any need whatsoever to support DOMA and/or State laws preventing homosexual marriage?
They didn’t need a definition until people started trying to include things as marriages that weren’t marriage according to the implicit definition that was understood. Catholic Scientist writes: First off, I don't believe you...but hey, what do I know...we only "know" each other via this forum. It's just that based on other stuff you have said, I have a hard time accepting that you truly are not bothered by homosexual marriage. And I also must ask...why are you even in this thread then?
Right. I lack a desire to allow gay marriage and I also lack the care for whether or not they are allowed to marry. Catholic Scientist writes: But aren't most of these decision based in Federal precedents...many from SCOTUS. Wouldn't this mean, therefore, that their decision are often primarily based on the U.S. Constitution?
States courts, where it should be decided.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4173 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: Bullshit. Why would someone want to marry a fucking toaster? It's a stupid, meaningless comparison, just like all the times we read how you guys all think that this slippery slope is obviously gonna lead to some guy that's I'm making the comparison between different definitions of the word "marriage".gonna wanna marry a tree...or their child....or a sheep...or whatever. And it still comes down to consent. The day you can get a fucking tree to either verbally agree to the marriage or to sign a consent form, then we can start worrying about your stupid slippery slope. Until then, lets try to keep this discussion based in reality. Catholic Scientist writes: Well, if you would bother to look back over the last 1000 posts or so, you would see that quite the opposite is true. We actually would greatly appreciate it, and would like nothing more than, if you guys to stop making these stupid comparisons.
So basically, you want us to want to compare gay sex to ridiculous sex. Its too bad I wasn't. Blah, blah, blah...whatever. Yeah...us stupid whiny libs...sticking up for and defending our Constitution. Damn us to Hell, how dare we love our Country so much that we're willing to speak out when we disagree with discrimination based solely on sexual orientation. If my glasses are shit colored, it's only because I've been buried up over my head by your bullshit. For Christ sake, Catholic Scientist...what the hell are laws preventing two guys from marrying each other based on if they're not based on their sexual orientation? Height? Hair Color? How they dress? What? What are laws preventing two guys from marrying each other based upon?
Catholic Scientist writes: No, how dare you purposely wear your shit colored glasses and make everything out to be something its not just so you can vilify your opponents.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4173 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Artemis Entreri writes: This may now be the funniest thing I have ever read on this site. Seriously, Artemis, this is destined to become a classic. Wow!
d00d its in the liberal handbook. when you cant reason or have a lack of logic to think about a specific issue, then just slander and vilify your opponet to show how much you care and they dont. go off topic on purpose, and change the subject over and over again. its a common tactic of the left.
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