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kongstad Member (Idle past 2896 days) Posts: 175 From: Copenhagen, Denmark Joined: |
I haven't read the book. But I believe I refuted your argument that if Obame had a socialist as a mentor, then Obama must have marxist leanings.
So we can agree that whether Frank was a socialist or not, this has no bearing on whether Obama harbours marxist leanings, yes?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
kongstad writes: I haven't read the book. But I believe I refuted your argument that if Obame had a socialist as a mentor, then Obama must have marxist leanings. So we can agree that whether Frank was a socialist or not, this has no bearing on whether Obama harbours marxist leanings, yes? 1. Obama's stated ambitions for government and his past record is and has been socialistic for the most part. 2. When he did't vote the leftist POV he simply refused to vote whenever a leftist vote would be unpopular for his political ambitions. 3. His socialist/Marxist mentor, Frank, would be proud of his record and the slick way he skirts around the specifics of issues in statements he makes while campaigning. He has mastered the ability to be all things to all men that he might win the maximum. A good example of this is his statement on the 2nd Amendment which is the right to bear arms. His statement was that he knew what he believed about the 2nd Amendment and that he knew it guaranteed the right to bear arms. What he didn't tell America is what he thought about the 2nd Amendment or whether he agreed to it. Nor did he say whether he would honor it as stated or interpret it as gun owners interpret it. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3452 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
This association is just one of a number of corroborated associations of Obama which implicate him as a hard core socialist and as a borderline Marxist who's agenda includes the redistribution of wealth to the extent that socialist regimes have gone in the past, a policy which reduced the nations to what we have witnessed in the days of the USSR. Hard-core socialist? Really, Buz? What exactly are the Obama policies which include a "redistribution of wealth to the extent that socialist regimes have gone in the past" especially one equivalent to what we "witnessed in the days of the USSR?" Just one example will do (and, of course, the explanation as to why it is even remotely comparable to former Soviet policies or even to other far left policies of current countries). I would love to see such an example because then I might be able to use it to convince some of the more "hard-core socialists" I count amongst my friends to vote for him. They are currently wavering because he is not progressive enough (!) and these people don't even have Ché T-shirts! The cries of socialism from the conservatives are really rather amusing because Obama and pretty much every other Democrat in any office in America are so far to the right that they would be called conservatives in most other Western countries (and some non-Western ones too!). One more thing...how does one become a extreme liberal socialist AND a secret Islamo-fascist? Seems to me like the anti-Obama crowd are just desperately throwing out bogeyman words and seeing which ones will stick. "You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London "Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea
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anglagard Member (Idle past 863 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
Jaderis writes: The cries of socialism from the conservatives are really rather amusing because Obama and pretty much every other Democrat in any office in America are so far to the right that they would be called conservatives in most other Western countries (and some non-Western ones too!). It is obvious to any student of history and politics in the US that those without ideas other than hate and fear must resort to simplistic labels in order to stamp out intelligent debate. In the early 20s the magic word was anarchist and/or communist. In the late 40s and early 50s, the magic word was communist. Richard Nixon and Joseph McCarthy used this magic word to great effect. In the late 70s until even today the magic word is liberal. Ronald Reagan and George Bush used this magic word to great effect. Now the new magic word is socialist. Those who manipulate their willing audience into a frenzy of hate have evidently felt that the term liberal has been overused and now seek a new magic word to vilify any and all who question their supposed perfection. Is it really any great surprise? Isn't there a new magic word, atheist, to describe anyone who does not toe the line when it comes to a given cult interpretation of theology? (ABE - upon reflection the older term heretic has been around since there was any religion) It would be interesting to examine how the magic label word has been used to describe others that Right Wing Authoritarians seek to demonize: JewCommie Fag Nigger (and all other racial epithets) Pinko Hippie Intellectual Elitist Papist Humanist Pacifist Evolutionist and so on. It's all done in the name of hate and fear. The two horns of their false authoritarian god. Edited by anglagard, : No reason given. Edited by anglagard, : link to RWA, go ahead take the test if you have the guts Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4042 Joined: Member Rating: 7.7 |
Note how "ZOMG SOCIALIST!" is thrown around as some sort of dire warning...
but no actual rebuttalis given. Nobody ever says why a given policy is "bad" beyond decrying it as socialist. That's a pretty big clue that conservitards have no actual argument beyond their childish namecalling.
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5526 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
anglagard writes:
I think it was James McMurtry who explained that the term "cowboy" was initially intended as a slur on those men who herded cattle on horseback. "Cattlemen" would have been more respectful, but that term was already in use; it applied to the men who owned the cows. (McMurtry never speculated on what would happen if a cowboy ever became POTUS. Wish he had.) It would be interesting to examine how the magic label word has been used to describe others that Right Wing Authoritarians seek to demonize:Jew Commie Fag Nigger (and all other racial epithets) Pinko Hippie Intellectual Elitist Papist Humanist Pacifist Evolutionist ”HM
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kongstad Member (Idle past 2896 days) Posts: 175 From: Copenhagen, Denmark Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: kongstad writes: His socialist/Marxist mentor, Frank, would be proud of his record and the slick way he skirts around the specifics of issues in statements he makes while campaigning. So we can agree that whether Frank was a socialist or not, this has no bearing on whether Obama harbours marxist leanings, yes? I take this to be an affirmative. Nice to see that we agree that this "Franks" political leanings have no bearing on whether Obama have marxist leanings. Can we then agree that suggesting they have bearing is just a misguided attempt at slander?
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Shield Member (Idle past 2888 days) Posts: 482 Joined:
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1. Obama's stated ambitions for government and his past record is and has been socialistic for the most part.
Either you have no idea what socialism is, or you have no idea what Obama's past is. If you would be so kind, i would love to see Obama's socialistic deeds. As a socialist, i would be pleased. You can find it all here: http://www.thomas.loc.gov and then Browse by Representitive and Choose Obama. That'll give you a complete list of what he's done in the senate. Show me what he has done that's 'Socialistic' Edited by rbp, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
1. Obama's stated ambitions for government and his past record is and has been socialistic for the most part. Wrong. This is why you can supply no supporting evidence for these claims.
2. When he did't vote the leftist POV he simply refused to vote whenever a leftist vote would be unpopular for his political ambitions. I presume that you have no evidence for this daydream. You could have this fantasy about anyone. The Pope isn't really a Catholic, he just pretends to be to further his ecclesiastical ambitions. McCain is secretly a die-hard Communist, but he wants to be president. The folks at the Discovery Institute are really evolutionists, but they've found they make more money as creationists. It's a very mean-spirited way of avoiding reality, don't you think?
3. His socialist/Marxist mentor, Frank, would be proud of his record and the slick way he skirts around the specifics of issues in statements he makes while campaigning. He has mastered the ability to be all things to all men that he might win the maximum. A good example of this is his statement on the 2nd Amendment which is the right to bear arms. His statement was that he knew what he believed about the 2nd Amendment and that he knew it guaranteed the right to bear arms. What he didn't tell America is what he thought about the 2nd Amendment or whether he agreed to it. Oh for Pete's sake. If he knows that it guarantees the right to bear arms, he also thinks that it guarantees the right to bear arms. However, if you are going to insist on what he thinks rather than what he knows, here you go:
There's been a long standing argument among constitutional scholars about whether the 2nd Amendment referred simply to militias or whether it spoke to an individual right to possess arms. I think the latter is the better argument. There is an individual right to bear arms. Nor did he say whether he would honor it as stated or interpret it as gun owners interpret it. See above. He thinks it's an individual right, rather than reserved to the "militia", whatever that is. Of course, whatever he says, you will still fantasise about how he doesn't mean it, so that you can hate him for being against the Second Amendment and for lying about it.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 311 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
On Friday a lightning bolt knocked out a transformer and my phone/computer line and I just got back on line yesterday PM. My apologies for the delay in responding. Clearly your posts have incurred the wrath of God. Or at least his severe embarrasment.
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Jazzns Member (Idle past 3938 days) Posts: 2657 From: A Better America Joined: |
Wild theories of 'Obama Nation' author - POLITICO
On the blog FreeRepublic.com, Corsi wrote that pedophilia "is OK with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press," that "RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters" and that Kerry is "Anti-Christian, Anti-American." Last year, Corsi released a book charging President Bush was secretly plotting to create a North American Union by merging the U.S. with Canada and Mexico.
Apparrently nothing is beyond this guy and his ability to spew forth intelectual feces. Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2539 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
It's not the number of sources, but the quality of the source that counts. I can source wikipedia three hundred times writing a history paper about how the cotton gin enabled the economic survival of slavery in the American South. Or, I could actually source first hand documents and secondary documents (written by experts on the subject matter).
And now you're changing the number of sources in the Obama Nation book. First 600, now 700? Which is it?
Perhaps in this thread members who take issue with the above may work to refute one or more of the connections listed here. So far all we see is substanceless yada from Corsi critiques
We are. See, in order to take Corsi's stances seriously, he has to be taken seriously. But if he's a crackpot, everything he states is highly suspect.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
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This seems to be carefully dissecting the stupid bloody Corsi book. Edited by NosyNed, : No reason given.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
The mainstream media which is heavily pro-Obama has released a 40 page smear of Corsi which has been higly publicized. I listened to the Mark Levine show this eve and Mark has shown on his show that a significant number of documentation sources of the criticisms of the book are questionable and being in small print are not aired. He cited some specifics which were outright lies. The Corsi smear is heavy on criticism and light on substance.
The bottom line is what in Corsi's book, THE OBAMA NATION has been heavily lawyered from liabel. It is accurate. This thread is about the book perse. What in this book can you falsify? I might add that Floyd Brown, political activist who has circulated adds revealing the fact that Obama was a Muslim through age 7 etc. He is also under attack for these adds, which, btw, are also accurate. In the eyes of the Muslim world, Obama is a Muslim. That's how Islam works. Once a Muslim = a Muslim to death as per Haddiths, Sunnas and the Koran. Thus the endorsement by Jehadist Hammas and most of the Muslim world for Obama as the US and for that matter the planet top man in authority. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9003 From: Canada Joined: |
You know, Buz, you have gotten everything I know something about wrong. The fact that you support this book is, almost by itself, a reasonable guarantee that the book is as much junk as all the other nonsense you post here.
Thanks for that.
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