The Obama Nation

Buzsaw writes:

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The mainstream media which is heavily pro-Obama

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Incorrect. In fact, the exact opposite is true. The mainstream media has given the most negative coverage to Obama.According to the Center for Media and Public Affairs, the break for negative/positive statements for Obama is 72/28 while the negative/positive for McCain is 57/43.

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The bottom line is what in Corsi's book, THE OBAMA NATION has been heavily lawyered from liabel. It is accurate.

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Incorrect. Media Matters has put out a 41-page document of corrections:Unfit for Publication

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I might add that Floyd Brown, political activist who has circulated adds revealing the fact that Obama was a Muslim through age 7 etc. He is also under attack for these adds, which, btw, are also accurate.

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Incorrect. See the refutation in the publication.

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In the eyes of the Muslim world, Obama is a Muslim.

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Incorrect. Obama has never been a Muslim.

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That's how Islam works. Once a Muslim = a Muslim to death as per Haddiths, Sunnas and the Koran.

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Then you have a problem as Obama has never been a Muslim.Of course, we have another problem:Why do you care if he is?

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

The alleged refutation is no refutation by the biased publication. Islam recognizes the religion of the father as the religion for his children.The publication says it was for convenience. Baloney! It was his religion up through age 7. He practiced some of Islam while in school. If he was a Christian he would have been listed as one.He was enrolled as Muslim in both Muslim and Catholic schools. Because he's claiming he's never been one when he knows better. He was born a Muslim and given a Muslim name.Why is he disclaiming ever being a Muslim? Because most terrorists on the planet are Muslims and it wouldn't bode well for his bid for the highest office on the planet.Both his father and step father were Muslims, the latter the more devout as I understand it. Evidently his mother favored Muslim husbands as she married two of them.Obama's so called Christian church at Chicago is cozy with the Nation of Islam here in America, awarding the highest honor to Muslim Louis Farrakhan. There's a reason Obama favored that church. Go figure.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I have never had the displeasure of discourse with a racist of your caliber, Buzsaw.Every single thing you post revolves around "OH MY GOD HES A MUSLIM AND HES GOING TO KILL US ALL!"As if the fact that his father, who did not even raise him, was a Muslim means that he is a Muslim.As if being recognized as a Muslim by the Muslim world in teh same way a Jew can still be recognized as a Jew even after conversion makes him a Muslim.As if being Muslim means he's a terrorist.Congratulations on revealing yourself to be the exact sort of racist, bigoted, disgusting, ignorant piece of shit that Al'Qaeda was hoping we were. Because you are exactly what they hoped for on September 11th, Buzsaw.They want us to react out of racism, ignorance, and most of all, out of fear. That's what the terrorists wanted, and it's exactly what you're giving them. You and the author of this idiotic book are actively working to destroy the tolerance, freedom, and welcoming spirit that defined America as exemplified by the Statue of Liberty and our Constitution, the America that treated people of all races and all religions fairly and equally.You're scared, and in your fear you're buying all the lies anyone can stick in your face, and not even noticing the fact that it wouldn't even matter if it were true. Unless you're a racist, who simply thinks that Muslims are terrorists and that's that.So feel free to continue to let Al'Qaeda win by letting their actions terrorize you into expressing this sort of racist, fearmongering, divisive nonsense. The irony of someone who opposes Al'Qaeda so strongly doing exactly what they want would be hilarious if the reality weren't so disgusting and pathetic.

Buzsaw responds to me:

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The alleged refutation is no refutation by the biased publication.

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Read: It contradicts what I say. Ergo, it must be "biased."

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Islam recognizes the religion of the father as the religion for his children.

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So? This isn't about what other people think. This is about what Obama thinks. By your logic, all of those Jews who were killed in the Holocaust are now actually Mormon because the Mormons, in practice with their own religion, had them post-humously baptised which means they recognize them as Mormon.

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The publication says it was for convenience. Baloney!

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Read: It contradicts me. Ergo, it cannot be true.Nevermind that his first grade teacher says it was for convenience. What does she know? It isn't as if she were with the school that took the information. It isn't like she was with him at six years old. She's just some random person with absolutely no connection to Obama at all, right?

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It was his religion up through age 7.

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And you know this why? I mean, why should he, his parents, and his teachers know what his religion was?

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He practiced some of Islam while in school.

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Except he didn't. But why should we trust him and his teachers? What do they know?

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If he was a Christian he would have been listed as one.

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Why? His father was quite lapsed (he ate bacon, for crying out loud) and his mother was at best a spiritualist, not a member of any organized religion.

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He was enrolled as Muslim in both Muslim and Catholic schools.

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You realize that you've just contradicted yourself. If he enrolled in a Catholic school, surely he must be a Catholic, right? Oh, you mean there's a difference between the school you go to and your actual religion?Ah, you say, but he said he was a Muslim! Yeah...he was in a country that had just overthrown the communists and had gone into a state of religious overexpression. So, they put his father's religion down, even though he's not that much of a religious person, since that's the common practice.And your proof that he was a Muslim in spite of the statements of his teachers is what, precisely?

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Because he's claiming he's never been one when he knows better.

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So you're saying he's lying? You're saying his teachers are lying? Eveyrbody who is actually attached to Obama is lying about him? Only the people who don't have any actual connection to him are telling the truth? It's all a conspiracy?

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He was born a Muslim and given a Muslim name.

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No, he wasn't. "Barack" is an Arabic name, not a Muslim one.

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Why is he disclaiming ever being a Muslim?

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Perhaps because it isn't true? Perhaps because there are bigots in the world who can't handle the idea of a non-Christian president?

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Because most terrorists on the planet are Muslims

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Incorrect.

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and it wouldn't bode well for his bid for the highest office on the planet.

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Indeed. There are bigots everywhere.

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Both his father and step father were Muslims, the latter the more devout as I understand it.

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Completely backwards. His stepfather was about as lapsed as you can get.

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Evidently his mother favored Muslim husbands as she married two of them.

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Huh? What does that have to do with anything?

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Obama's so called Christian church at Chicago is cozy with the Nation of Islam here in America, awarding the highest honor to Muslim Louis Farrakhan.

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Whom Obama denounced.

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There's a reason Obama favored that church. Go figure.

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Lots of reasons. The one you've given has no connection to reality.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

This is very personally insulting.Having an Arabic name myself, I reject any notion of a "Muslim" name by default. There was Arabic culture and names long before Islam came around. I am not Muslim and will likely never be a Muslim despite my "Muslim" name.Does biggotry know no bounds?

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Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

As far as I could tell, in Islam a child is not responsible for his/her actions until they reach puberty. Only after puberty do they need to recite the muslim prayer, Shahada. There are also seven requirements one must fulfill when reciting the Shahada, including sincerity and understanding, otherwise it is meaningless (for the full list, see here).
So based on this, would you say that a seven year old would fulfill these requirements to become a muslim?

You pointed this out before, I challenged it and I'm still waiting. Since when has something 'heavily lawyered' necessarily been accurate? Furthermore, if Obama wanted to sue for libel, what would he be required to demonstrate? Is it possible that a lawyer could ensure their client is technically protected against litigation even if the offending comments are blatantly false?

In the US, that's certainly possible. Our libel laws are rather backwards. The person accused of libel does not need to prove that his statements are true, but rather that victim needs to prove that the person accused of libel knowingly made false statements and that these statements had a detrimental effect.There are additional rules regarding individuals in the public eye.Due to the difficulties in proving what someone did or did not know, and proving such things as one's religion when the entire thrust of the book is "he's lying, he's a secret Muslim!" it's doubtful Obama will sue. It's just not a worthwhile exercise, and it would only give morons like Buz who actually believe this tripe or even think it matters an additional persecution complex. "See, the liberal media and the activist judges are hiding the truth! They're trying to silence the book that exposes Obama as a secret jihadist! That must mean the book is true!"It's more effective for Obama to simply come out and effectively say "these guys are full of crap, don't know what they're talking about, and their statements basically boil down to divisive racist bullshit. Since that's not what I want my campaign to be about, this is the last I'll say on the matter."

Soaking the productive rich and the productive middle working class to enrich the poor, the non-productive, and the lazy, i.e. to equalize all citizens, i.e. commune-ism.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Matthew 19:21.Yeah, giving to those in need. What a bastard Obama is.You have no problem whatsoever with politicians that enforce through the authority of law some of God's commandments. Why ignore this one?Let the hypocrisy begin!

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

I would have to agree with you here that not all which is lawyered is accurate. There are some citations in the Rrhain link which may be debatable and which I need to consider.However, I am convinced that by and large, the Corsi book is credible with many irrefutable and significant facts which voters should be aware of before casting their vote.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

In the last 35 years, the tax code has been used to soak the productive middle class and poor to enrich the non-productive, and the lazy, rich (ex. Paris Hilton) i.e. to impoverish most citizens, i.e. banana republic-anism.

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Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis BaconThe more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

Subbie, the requirement Jesus gave to the rich man was to the specific rich man and him alone. Jesus knew his heart that his heart was in his riches. Jesus never stated this as a requirement for nations or cultures. If it weren't for the affluent, he would not have had an honorable burrial. This is not a Biblical requirement. Many rich, like King Solomon became so by God's providence.Subbie, if you like socialism and communism, i.e. enforced equality aside from the ruling hierarchy tyrants who enrich themselves and who are the only enriched, go for it. Vote for Obama.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Yes, yes, yes, of course. I had forgotten the unplumbed (and probably unplumbable) depths of the ability of a Christian to rationalize away anything that Christ said that they don't like. Beg your pardon.

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Subbie, if you like socialism and communism, i.e. enforced equality aside from the ruling hierarchy tyrants who enrich themselves and who are the only enriched, go for it. Vote for Obama.

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The mere fact that the man is the presumptive democratic presidential nominee would be enough for any rational person to conclude that he wants to do no such thing. The fact that you avoid this conclusion says far more about yourself than it does about Obama.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Yah sure, Anglagard. Right on, comrad. Go for it. Vote Obama; soak the productive rich who provide the jobs for the middle class; soak the rich who are now footing some 90+ percentage of the tax burden so that they will have no incentive to produce just to pay taxes.And BTW, soak the oil producers so their average 8% net modest income will be less and they will have little incentive to produce more energy.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.