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Rrhain
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Message 76 of 171 (478834)
08-21-2008 4:50 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Buzsaw
08-20-2008 8:51 PM


Buzsaw writes:
quote:
Soaking the productive rich and the productive middle working class to enrich the poor
Huh? The tax code has soaked the middle and lower classes to enrich the upper class. That's why the income gap has been widening...to its largest since the Great Depression.
"Trickle-down" or "supply side" economics...what George Bush, Sr. famously called "voodoo economics" when running against Reagan until he became veep...has never worked. At the time it was suggested, fewer than 12 of the entire 18,000 member American Economic Society thought it was sound fiscal policy. And sure enough, it failed. The economy was in recovery under Carter after the economic collapse of the early 70s under Nixon/Ford. But when Reagan/Bush came in, they got this "cutting taxes raises revenue" hallucination passed and ran up the largest debt the nation had ever seen, more than all previous administrations combined.
Here's a good writeup for why the Laffer Curve is bogus:
Why Voodoo Economics Don't Work - The Quick and Dirty Version
Money flows up, not down. Capitalism is driven primarily by spending, not investment. This doesn't mean you don't encourage investment. It means that you must pay attention to spending more. Giving money to those who don't spend accelerates the process of money flowing up. The market will have the money flow to those companies that have the products people wish to spend their money on. That is what should be the primary driver of investment: Spending.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Fosdick 
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Message 77 of 171 (478873)
08-21-2008 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Rrhain
08-21-2008 4:50 AM


What drives capitalism?
rrhain writes:
Capitalism is driven primarily by spending, not investment.
Hi Rrhain,
I happen to think that capitalism is driven by the spirit Calvinism, in accordance with Max Weber's theory. Spending is only a measure of volume, not of a driving force. Investment can be seen as advanced spending. But that which drives American capitalism is identical to what which drives Calvinists (all modern Protestants) to be identified as the elect.
”HM

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Chiroptera
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Message 78 of 171 (478891)
08-21-2008 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by subbie
08-20-2008 9:44 PM


Right wing short sightedness.
This country is not a dictatorship. The President's actual powers are limited, and just about anything that he can do can be undone by Congress, or by the Supreme Court if it's outside his power.
Of course, the hard-core supporters of the current Bush kleptocracy have been trying like hell to weaken the limitations on the President's powers, especially in regards to national security issues.
Funny how now they seem scared when someone else may be operating without those limitations.

Speaking personally, I find few things more awesome than contemplating this vast and majestic process of evolution, the ebb and flow of successive biotas through geological time. Creationists and others who cannot for ideological or religious reasons accept the fact of evolution miss out a great deal, and are left with a claustrophobic little universe in which nothing happens and nothing changes.
-- M. Alan Kazlev

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Buzsaw
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Message 79 of 171 (478912)
08-21-2008 11:02 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Rahvin
08-20-2008 11:44 PM


Re: Red Herring Charge
Rahvin writes:
Because a presidential candidate's religion is compeltely irrelevant to his candidacy, unless you're a racist idiot like you, Buz.
YOU NEED TO EITHER RETRACT THE PERSONAL ATTACK RACIST CHARGE OR CITE ANY RACIST STATEMENT THAT I POSTED, RAHVIN Otherwise we'll need to deal with your message in the forum for that purpose.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Rahvin
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Message 80 of 171 (478913)
08-21-2008 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Buzsaw
08-21-2008 11:02 PM


Re: Red Herring Charge
YOU NEED TO EITHER RETRACT THE PERSONAL ATTACK RACIST CHARGE OR CITE ANY RACIST STATEMENT THAT I POSTED, RAHVIN Otherwise we'll need to deal with your message in the forum for that purpose.
This entire fucking thread is a testament to your racism, bigot. The entire point from the beginning has been "Obama is a secret Muslim out to destroy America!"
Because of his skin color and "foreign-sounding" name, you have repeatedly insisted that he is in actuality a Muslim, withotu any real evidence that this is the case, and you've pretended that his religion matters.
You've been claiming in virtually this entire thread that Obama is secretly a terrorist, Buz, based solely on his name, skin color, and a few details about his early childhood. That is racism.

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Buzsaw
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Message 81 of 171 (478914)
08-21-2008 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by cavediver
08-21-2008 4:26 AM


Re: Communism/Socialism
Cavediver writes:
*choke* err, Buz, are you now so demented that you are comparing Obama to Hitler ???
I'm sorry, Buz, it's rude to laugh at someone in your condition - but don't worry, we're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you
Go ahead and laugh your silly heads off, fools!
1. Hitler was very popular in Germany before and after gaining power.
2. Hitler was a slick and capable orator who chould appear as all things to all citizens.
3. Hitler's policies were quite socialistic.
4. Hitler promised change and the people got change.
5. Hitler was what some refer to as a messiah figure.
Obama was all of the above and there's more, but these come to my mind for examples of similarities at present.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Rahvin
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Message 82 of 171 (478915)
08-21-2008 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Buzsaw
08-21-2008 11:02 PM


Re: Red Herring Charge
To give some additional substance for my previous comments:
Quoted by you:
quote:
Obama's extensive connections with Islam and radical politics, from his father's and stepfather's Islamic backgrounds, to his Communist and socialist mentors in Hawaii and Chicago, to his long-term and close associations with former Weather Underground heroes William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn”associations much closer than heretofore revealed by the press Barack and wife Michelle's twenty-year-long religious affiliation with the black-liberation theology of former Trinity United Church of Christ Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whose sermons have always been steeped in a rage first expressed by Frantz Fanon, Stokely Carmichael, and Malcolm X, a rage that Corsi shows has deep meaning for Obama
ZOMG! That uppity nigger might get elected!
I might add that Floyd Brown, political activist who has circulated adds revealing the fact that Obama was a Muslim through age 7 etc. He is also under attack for these adds, which, btw, are also accurate.
In the eyes of the Muslim world, Obama is a Muslim. That's how Islam works. Once a Muslim = a Muslim to death as per Haddiths, Sunnas and the Koran. Thus the endorsement by Jehadist Hammas and most of the Muslim world for Obama as the US and for that matter the planet top man in authority.
OMG he's a Muslim and the Jihadis like him!
Because he's claiming he's never been one when he knows better. He was born a Muslim and given a Muslim name.
Why is he disclaiming ever being a Muslim? Because most terrorists on the planet are Muslims and it wouldn't bode well for his bid for the highest office on the planet.
Both his father and step father were Muslims, the latter the more devout as I understand it. Evidently his mother favored Muslim husbands as she married two of them.
Obama's so called Christian church at Chicago is cozy with the Nation of Islam here in America, awarding the highest honor to Muslim Louis Farrakhan. There's a reason Obama favored that church. Go figure.
He has a Muslim name, so he must be a terrorist!!!
Fuck, Buz, do I really need to continue?

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DrJones*
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From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Message 83 of 171 (478916)
08-21-2008 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by Buzsaw
08-21-2008 11:02 PM


Re: Red Herring Charge
CITE ANY RACIST STATEMENT THAT I POSTED
How about:
God separated the races and attempting to mix them is like attempting to mix water with diesel fuel.
Message 177

soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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subbie
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Message 84 of 171 (478917)
08-21-2008 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Buzsaw
08-21-2008 11:14 PM


Re: Communism/Socialism
Buz, you really are dumber than a box of hammers.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Buzsaw
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Message 85 of 171 (478918)
08-21-2008 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Rahvin
08-21-2008 11:14 PM


Re: Red Herring Charge
Rahvin writes:
This entire fucking thread is a testament to your racism, bigot. The entire point from the beginning has been "Obama is a secret Muslim out to destroy America!"
Because of his skin color and "foreign-sounding" name, you have repeatedly insisted that he is in actuality a Muslim, withotu any real evidence that this is the case, and you've pretended that his religion matters.
You've been claiming in virtually this entire thread that Obama is secretly a terrorist, Buz, based solely on his name, skin color, and a few details about his early childhood. That is racism.
1. WRONG: Muslims are of all races and colors.
2. WRONG: Foreign names can be attributed to all races, organizations and colors.
3. WRONG: Religion has nothing to do with race.
4. WRONG: I've never made racist remarks relative to his skin color.
5. WRONG: I've never called Obama a secret terrorist. I've cited cites associating him with a known terrorist, William Ayres. (Spelling?)
NONE OF THE ABOVE IS RACIST, RAHVIN! IT'S ALL A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ME WHICH YOU NEED TO RETRACT!

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 86 of 171 (478919)
08-21-2008 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by DrJones*
08-21-2008 11:25 PM


Re: Red Herring Charge
WHAT'S THAT GOT TO DO WITH OBAMA, JONSEY??

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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DrJones*
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From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Joined: 08-19-2004
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Message 87 of 171 (478920)
08-21-2008 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Buzsaw
08-21-2008 11:30 PM


Re: Red Herring Charge
WHAT'S THAT GOT TO DO WITH OBAMA, JONSEY??
I'm sorry was your denial of being a racist restricted to just this thread?

soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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subbie
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Message 88 of 171 (478921)
08-21-2008 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Buzsaw
08-21-2008 11:27 PM


Re: Red Herring Charge
I really don't think that using capslock boldface is going to convince anyone of what you say.
Try throwing in some color, too.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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Buzsaw
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Message 89 of 171 (478922)
08-21-2008 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Rahvin
08-21-2008 11:23 PM


Re: Red Herring Charge
1. Obama has attended a racist church for 20 years which has been closely associated with racist people like Louis Farrakan. How does that make me a racist by stating facts? It implicates Obama, not me, as racist.
2. Whether or not I'm correct in believing the cites about his association to terrorists has nothing to do with me making racist statements about Obama. It has nothing watsoever to do with race.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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subbie
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Posts: 3509
Joined: 02-26-2006


Message 90 of 171 (478923)
08-21-2008 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Buzsaw
08-21-2008 11:36 PM


Re: Red Herring Charge
quote:
2. Whether or not I'm correct in believing the cites about his association to terrorists has nothing to do with me making racist statements about Obama. It has nothing watsoever to do with race.
Interesting defense. You're not a racist because your hatemongering is instead based on religious bigotry.

Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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