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Author Topic:   A Genesis Day and the Age of the Earth: what does the Bible say?
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Message 3 of 121 (479162)
08-25-2008 3:03 AM
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08-24-2008 7:14 PM


The akjv says in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. I believe the other versions the translators added an s to heaven thus brought confusion to the chapter of genesis to make it seem to be about the heavens when if one reads it singularly its about creating heaven (firmament) and earth (dry land).
akjv genesis 1:1 its not about the heavens but the earth (dry land soil, granite foundations) and heaven (an atmosphere) of our world were created in the beginning of the creation week.
akjv Genesis 1:2 is saying our world was void and formless and that the earth was covered by the waters because darkness was upon the face of the deep. akjv genesis 1:2.
akjv genesis 1:9 confirms where it says he gathered the waters to one place and said let the dry land appear and it was so.
akjv Hebrews 1:10 too talks of God laying the foundations of the earth and that the heavens are also the work of his hands.
p.s. Kent Hovind in debate with Hugh Ross said that by the Word its either a 24 hour day or a 1,000 year day.
I personally believe in the 1,000 year day because akjv genesis 1:1 its about how God took our World in his hands and created the firmament that he called heaven not the heavens (akjv genesis 1:8) and the dry land (akjv genesis 1:10) that he called Earth. If you read the first chapter of genesis that is what happened in the beginning of the creation week (day 1 and 2) the creation of the atmosphere (heaven) and the creation of dry land (earth). It never was talking about the creation of the heavens nor when he created this world or that the name of this world is the Earth. He did not call the world earth but the dry land he called Earth. akjv genesis 1:10.
P.S. And the devil changed all them other bible versions to say heavens and the earth. Hebrews 1:10 the Word says the heavens too are the work of his hands but the foundations of the earth are about the raising up of the earth coming up out of the waters of the world void and formless referred to in genesis 1:2. The bible simply does not say how old our world is but the earth was created approximately 13,000-10,000 years ago if one day is as a thousand years akjv 2 peter 3:8.
The fossil record is no older than 10,000 years and evidence of accelerated decay in that according to creationists no primordial polonium exists given that radon gas is parent to polonium and the multitudes of polonium halo's proves it has to be primordial polonium. That not being present suggest accelerated decay in agreement with the sun being a torch for the first 3 creation 1,000 year days. It might be that the earth was radioactive and God used the suns gamma radiation to accelerate the decay rate removing all primordial polonium in creating the earth. This evidence (polonium halos) according to creationist (Gentry)appears to rule out an old earth. However does it rule out an old world since the creation of this world before the creation of the dry land. Since they are always dating the earth guess its a young earth, the world might be old but the earth is young.
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Message 9 of 121 (479187)
08-25-2008 10:56 AM
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Yep, A lot of prophecy will be fullfilled in this "The day of the Lord."
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Message 10 of 121 (479194)
08-25-2008 11:30 AM
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God said he would preserve his Word for all generations all your other bible versions have been compromised by man.
I take genesis 1:1 to be about our world that he created the atmosphere(heaven) and he created the dry land (earth)given the entire chapter is about our world.
Man has called our World the EARTH but God in the book of genesis called only the dry land: EARTH. In describing our world the dry land existed under the waters of genesis 1:2 !!!!!!! akjv genesis 1:10 I mean with all the waters in the oceans akjv genesis 1:2 is about our world, before it had dry land or an atmosphere.
Its been said if you smoothed the earth so no depressions or mountains you would have approximately 1/2 mile of water covering our world which is basically what akjv genesis 1:2 is saying what our world void and formless looked like before the dry land came forth out of the waters akjv genesis 1:10, etc...
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Message 17 of 121 (479276)
08-25-2008 9:54 PM
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08-25-2008 8:49 PM


Re: I agree here
Yes John I do, but that does not mean it is the same length of day as mentioned in Genesis.
Adam died 930 years old fullfilling the prophecy that in the day he ate he died. akjv genesis 2:17 & akjv genesis 5:5 & akjv 2 peter 3:8.
If Adam would of died 1001 years old he would not of died in the day he ate. It would of violated scripture.
P.S. akjv 2 peter 3:8 says "and a" thousand years as one day.
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Message 26 of 121 (479420)
08-27-2008 3:22 AM
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08-26-2008 8:15 PM


Re: I agree here
John,
That is one of the two possible explanations. The other one is that God's point of view Adam did die on that day when he sinned by pulling away from his life source, disconnecting from God, so to speak. Like if you unplug a fan from your point of view you turned it off, but it may still spin for a little while. This in particular is not something commented on by any other Bile writer so you explanation you offered is as good as any.
It says: And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died. akjv genesis 5:5
Jesus died yet is the first to be resurrected into an incorruptible body that he is alive forevermore, and has the keys to hell and of death.
Job appears was looking forward to the resurrection of the body from the grave. And that he would be present bodily with all the Saints when our LORD and God stands upon the earth in that latter day.
akjv Job 19:26 is not Job talking about the redeemer living and that he shall stand at "the latter day" upon the earth: And in verse 27 saying in his own flesh would he see God?
akjv Zechariah 14:5 And he Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. Is not this the beginning of the latter day when the Lord God sets his feet upon the mount of olives.
P.S. It appears Sacred texts of the Books of Adam and Eve agree with akjv 2 peter 3:8 that there is merit that a thousand years is but one day.
If the prophecy of the 5 and 1/2 days was given to Adam 500 years into day 6 you would have 5,500 years plus the 5,500 year prophecy to the birth of Christ plus 2,000 years to the present giving us an approximate age of the heaven and earth of 13,000 years.
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GOD said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and thou and thy seed shall dwell and walk in it, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the
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[paragraph continues] Word that created thee, and against which thou hast transgressed, the Word that made thee come out of the garden and that raised thee when thou wast fallen.
2 Yea, the Word that will again save thee when the five days and a half are fulfilled."
3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five days and a half, he did not understand the meaning of them.
4 For Adam was thinking that there would be but five days and a half for him, to the end of the world.
5 And Adam wept, and prayed God to explain it to him.
6 Then God in His mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and similitude, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his seed.
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The earliest prophecy of the coming of Christ.
But I will. When I shall come down from heaven, and shall become flesh of thy seed, and take upon Me the infirmity from which thou sufferest, then the darkness that came upon thee in this cave shall come upon Me in the grave, when I am in the flesh of thy seed.
5 "And I, who am without years, shall be subject to the reckoning of years, of times, of months, and of days, and I shall be reckoned as one of the sons of men, in order to save thee."
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Message 30 of 121 (479461)
08-27-2008 12:22 PM
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08-27-2008 6:12 AM


Re: I agree here
John,
Job and Zechariah have nothing to do with the topic, and you are adding something to the Bible.
(Revelation 22:18) 18 “I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll;
I'm not changing the wording of the bible nor the wording of the scriptures in the sacred texts unlike all them other new age bible versions including the TEV.
Where is the prophecy out of Egypt have I called my son mentioned in the bible other than akjv matthew 2:15 ? Is it not about those 5 and 1/2 days in respect to Adam and the Word? Out of Egypt have I called my son.
I agree one should not alter the words of any of the other sacred texts of scripture even those that were not included in the bible.
However where is the book of Nathan the book of Jehru, just because All Scriptures were not included in the bible does not mean all scriptures are not profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
P.S. Yet by the time given for these events to happen by the scriptures it gives you approximately 13,000 years since God made our worlds heaven and earth.
akjv 2Ti 3:16 "All Scripture" is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
akjv 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
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Message 34 of 121 (479519)
08-28-2008 1:13 AM
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Re: But context defines it meaning
What it doesn't say is that the sventh day had an end.
It says on the seventh day God rested from "ALL" his Works.
However after approximately 1000 years of the seventh day did not the flood come that the world that was then perished being overflowed with water? 2 peter 3:6 & 2 peter 3:8. It says he rested from all his Works on the seventh day however the World Flood happened shortly after the seventh day. Do the math the flood happened when Noah was 600 years old and the generations started with Seth when Adam was 130 years on the sixth day and the years to the flood by the geneologies were approximately 1656 years. akjv genesis 5.
I love the rest though cause in God is a special place of rest to them that believe. akjv psalm 91 Is not this why the Jews missed the visitation and why it pleases God by the foolishness of the preaching of the gospel to save them that believe?
Did not God give Noah 120 years to build the ark? approximately shortly after the seventh day? My take is there is a special place of rest that exists to believers. It says in Hebrew 4:4 he did rest from "ALL" his Works on the seventh day. akjv psalm 104:9 in respect to the flood happening shortly after the seventh day because God destroyed the old earth with a flood yet set a bound that the waters may not again pass over the earth.
akjv hebrews 4:4-5 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God "did" rest the seventh day from "all" his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
P.S. It does not say he is resting but that he did rest, etc...
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Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28
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Message 42 of 121 (485594)
10-09-2008 10:31 PM
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10-07-2008 11:35 AM


3 twenty four hour days
Jesus was born/crucified in the "evening of the "FOURTH DAY
It just appears it can only be three full 24 hour days after he was crucified. So he could only of been crucified on Wednesday the evening of the 4th day for the Lord to fullfill scripture in being in the earth 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:40. Luke is the clincher it was a Wednesday but on the 4th day and after 3 full days he was bodily resurrected on the first day of the week being a Sunday.
P.S. Its an interesting analogy also satisfies Jonah three days in the belly of a whale and then 40 days with the apostles after the 1st day when he was parted from them and carried up into heaven. Acts 1:9 and Luke 24:51. akjv rev 1:18
akjv Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
akjv Luke 24:2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.
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Message 46 of 121 (485656)
10-10-2008 12:24 PM


Time dilation!!!!!!!
I see it all that you all are ignorant of this one thing that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 2 peter 3:8.
Its like God stopping the sun in the sky giving the victory to Israel. Joshua 10:1-15 The bible says to not be ignorant of this one thing that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years. So actually a thousand years went by in 24 hours. It might be more understandable like a clock travelling at the speed of light and after it registers 24 hours a thousand years have gone by, or for those evolutionists that like science fiction like Jimmy Stewarts rabbit in the Movie Harvey that could stop time. God created time telling us through prophecy the end from the beginning. How pray tell do you all explain the stopping of the sun without time being stopped or slowed, or prophecy the telling of the ending from the beginning, etc...
P.S. I had a personal experience with time dilation when golfing teeing the ball with my driver wound up to kill the ball to impress my opponent but instead I powered the ball to a tree close to me causing the ball to come back at me at incredible velocity. What happened was interesting because in my mind I saw the ball coming at my head in slow motion and slowly moved my head out of the way. I simply believe that to God one day is as a thousand years cause I had more than enough time to move my head when in real time I would of been beaned perhaps dead. But God knowing the end result of me being beaned slowed the golf ball time to give me time and this is how I see the earth 24 hour day is as a thousand years yet still one day , etc...
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Message 52 of 121 (485680)
10-10-2008 4:29 PM
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Re: Time dilation!!!!!!!
johnfolton writes:
I see it all that you all are ignorant of this one thing that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 2 peter 3:8.
II Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day with the Lord is a thousand years, and a thousand years is one day.
like this. You mentioned somewhere about adding to or taking away.
ICant,
Your actually the one changing the wording of 2 peter 3:8 the akjv uses "as" not "is"! This is the part relevant to genesis if 2 peter 3:8 is referencing time dilation that one of our days is as a thousand years to God. God is the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end telling the end from the beginning.
The akjv translation used "as" not "is" right? Why not use "is" if it makes more sense? but they used "as" due using "is" would of been altering the wording of the textus receptus. right? For whatever reasons they chose "as" not "is". You must be using one of those politically correct bible version not the akjv that says as cause is is politically correct, etc...
P.S. I can only see from scripture that a day is either 1000 years or 24 hours. Adam died within the day he ate from the tree yet that day was not the 24 hour day. Prophecy means God knows the future meaning he is present in the present and the future why not the past. Like one of our 24 hour days as a thousand years is not all that hard to God and wonder if thats why the translators used as and not is. Like when God stopped the sun in the sky for Joshua was still shining yet if God can stop the earth rotation by stopping time why is it so hard to grasp that it might be part of what was happening in the genesis day that to God one 24 hour day is with the Lord as a thousand years? I could accept your point of view with is but unfortunately the translators used as and you have God stopping time for Joshua. right?
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Message 56 of 121 (485704)
10-10-2008 7:37 PM
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I believe that but you don't. You believe Adam lived over 900 years.
Yes I believe Adam died at 930 years 70 years short of the God day and Eve is the mother of all living.
10 billion years is the same to God as a day is to us maybe less when you compare a day to eternity
The bible says differently that one day as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
Being raised on a farm I really have a problem with the plants that was caused to grow from the seed that was in the ground. There is no sun and moon at that point. So you got a 500 year period of light, the plants would do ok with this but it is followed by a 500 years of darkness. How would the plants survive? I think that would be a serious problem. But I have been wrong before
I'll conceed it was not a 24 hour day but a thousand year God day and that the light and darkness is referencing only that the planet was rotating. Can not beat your dark problem but the morning and evening is the God day. The rotating bringing light and darkness had nothing to do with the morning and the evening of the creation days because they were God days. Your assuming that everytime the earth rotated that it should be considered a creation day yet all its saying is that the earth was rotating so to beat your darkness problem with the God thousand year day! If it was a 24 hour day the earth would not of had time to bring forth the grasses genesis 1:12 and given were only given two kinds of days in the bible a 24 and a thousand year day it only makes sense that the earth is only 13,000 years old by the scriptures.
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Message 62 of 121 (485764)
10-11-2008 12:06 PM
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Re:
You believe the creation week was 7,000 years long and 6,000 years from then until now. Correct me if this is wrong.
I believe the creation week took 7,000 years and 5,9--? years approximate to the present (meaning were nearing the end of the 6th day of the second week).
If adam great 5 1/2 days until the birth of Christ plus if his age into the 6th day was 500 years plus 5000 year from the beginning of the 6th day = 5,500 + 500? + 5,000 + 2008 = 13,000? years. Adam according to this prophecy was saved by the Word 2,008 years ago. The clock is running out for the 6th creation day of the second week before the beginning of the 7th day of the second creation week.
Israel giving up gaza is believed to be a prophecy signaling the coming apocalypse and the end of the 6th creation day of the second week of creation. Interesting times are already at hand with the economic crisis, russia poised for her destruction, etc...
After Christs thousand year rule is not this the 8th day the great white throne judgement? Then after the accounting of all the souls the new jerusalem a city coming out of the heavens where there will be no need for sun or the moon sure sounds like a time of non-counting, eternal, no years, months, nor days.
The Lord is now in his glorified body so a thousand years is but a watch in the night. Peter seems to be saying to not be slackers concerning the Lord's return because in his resurrected body time is like a thousand years is but one day in our time and soon time in the new heavens and new earth is he saying that we too will be part of God time and not earth time? Whatever the rapture and the reaping of those left behind join up with Christ were talking 3 1/2 year s or less till the end of 6th creation day into the second week of creation.
Seems Peter is talking more about the 8th day when the heavens shall be dissolved and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. Peter is reminding us there is a promise for those staying righteous to the end of ones life of new heavens and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. Peter believed it so strongly he asked to be crucified upside down, etc...
What wonderous times were in that those of you that miss the rapture (left behinders) if not killed in one of the angelic trumpets or one of the seven seals you'd still have a chance to become a martyr for Christ in these very last days of the 6th day well into the second week of creation. The god of this world (satan) his days are numbered and it all about the coming reigning of Christ when the kingdoms and the nations of this earth become the Lords. Thats Jesus at the very end of the 6th day and the thousand year reign of Christ is the 7th day with the Lord God fullfilling all prophecy such as his soon to come reigning over the whole earth from Jerusalem.
I see the seventh day of the second week of creation starting the moment Christ sets his feet on the mount of olives. Zechariah 14:5.
So answer me this, Why would the days be different during the first week than they are now?
If I would not of seen this text given to Enoch by God I too would share your belief of the creation week being 24 hour days. All that the bible too me is saying is the separation of light from darkness the rotation of the earth was started on the first creation day. I'm not saying the days were different or the God day is different only that in the bible were given two days one is the 24 hour day and the other is the 1000 year God day that we see expressed as the creation week being 7000 years in the books of Enoch.
When you read 2 peter 3:8 about the God day about the Lord not slack and that day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night in which the heavens shall pass away. Is peter not talking about the 8th day it does not sound like he is talking about the apocalyspe nor the 1000 year reign of Christ but a time after when the earths heavens will pass away. If were nearing 13,000 years from the beginning of the earth and Christ is going to reign for 1,000 years the eight day where time will be eternal happens comes after the thousand year reign of Christ. Peter is looking for a new earth and a new heaven 2 peter 3:12 is Peter looking to the eighth day to a time of not counting eternal, etc.... akjv rev 21:1
P.S. Interestingly Jesus fullfilled the prophecy of the calling my Son out of Egypt. However what is interesting Adam was not to be saved until the completition of the 5 1/2 days which too me happened when Christ was in the earth for those 3 days. The souls released from abrahams bosom not saying Adam has a resurrected body yet but that his spirit is now up in heaven with the Lord.
Note: Whats more interesting too me perhaps no one else? is doing the math if Christ was born 4 B.C. and were now into 2009 that to try to nail the time when the 5 1/2 days were completed you only have to subtract 9+4 = 13 from 2009 and you have 1996. Since Christ resurrected himself from the grave 3 days when he was 33 years old. 33-13=20 years left over. 1996 + 20 = the year 2016 as the end of the 6th day of the second creation week. If the math would hold up that might mean 2009 might be the start time of the apocalypse.
I just thought it quite interesting due to how the stock market is crashing world wide, etc... Rapture might well happen quite quickly after the sixth seal but before the seventh seal and those 7 angelic trumpet. It just seems too me rapture will happen sooner than mid trib but not necessarily pre-trib unless the false messiah treaty with Israel mentioned in the book of Daniel does not happen until after the sixth seal? Too me the earthquake, that darkens the sun will be right at the beginning of the tribulation not necessarily pre-trib but not mid trib nor post trib pre wrath, etc... matthew 24:29 and 40-43. For those ready with oil in their lamps look up for your redemption draweth near, etc ...
The start date of the seventh day of the second creation week sounds like approximately 2017 when Christ will reign over all the nations of the earth but no man but the Father in heaven knows the day nor the hour but by the math we seem to be getting quite close to the start date of the tribulation / rapture, etc... I'm leaning rapture will be around april 5th due christ said it was finished on the cross if he died on a wednesday and not on a friday thats comes out to april 5th. Which if his death closed out the 4th creation day then the end of the 6th creation day will be approximately april 5th 2016 and the start of the apocolypse / rapture approximately april 5th 2009? This makes the start date of the eighth day happening approximately 3017 on approximately april 5th when time will be a time of non counting, eternal, the final judgement of the second resurrection folk, etc....The New Jerusalem, etc... I might not have all the times right because no man but the Father knows the day or the hour but the Father but this is how I see it all coming down, etc...
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Chapter 33
God shows Enoch the age of this world, its existence of seven thousand years, and the eighth thousand is the end, neither years, nor months, nor weeks, nor days
1And I appointed the eighth day also, that the eighth day should be the first-created after my work, and that the first seven revolve in the form of the seventh thousand, and that at the beginning of the eighth thousand there should be a time of not-counting, endless, with neither years nor months nor weeks nor days nor hours
http://reluctant-messenger.com/2enoch01-68.htm#Chapter11
Chapter III
Concerning the promise of the great five and a half days.
1 God said to Adam, "I have ordained on this earth days and years, and you and your descendants shall live and walk in them, until the days and years are fulfilled; when I shall send the Word that created you, and against which you have transgressed, the Word that made you come out of the garden, and that raised you when you were fallen.
2 Yes, the Word that will again save you when the five and a half days are fulfilled."
3 But when Adam heard these words from God, and of the great five and a half days, he did not understand the meaning of them.
4 For Adam was thinking there would be only five and a half days for him until the end of the world.
5 And Adam cried, and prayed to God to explain it to him.
6 Then God in his mercy for Adam who was made after His own image and likeness, explained to him, that these were 5,000 and 500 years; and how One would then come and save him and his descendants.
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/...book/adameve/adameve1.html
A terrible warning: 'Gaza Will Be Forsaken' . . .
Recently the world watched as all the Jews in Gaza were forcibly removed from their homes and their land ... even the dead Jews were forcibly dug up from their graves and removed from Gaza. This 'uprooting' of the Jews from Gaza which the whole world watched on the news may be a much more 'significant' prophetic event than most realize, and the Bible warns there is more to come . . .
In the book of Zephaniah, God warns Gaza would one day 'be forsaken' (yes, that same Gaza you have now been watching on the world news). Gaza is in the land which was given to the tribe of Judah (Joshua 15:1-12), and one of Messiah's titles is "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah." The Bible links the forsaking of Gaza to the coming 'Apocalypse,' which is also called 'The Day of Wrath' and the 'Day of the Lord's Anger." From these following passages (Zephaniah 2:1-7),
http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/...1%20Israel%20Jerusalem.html
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Message 73 of 121 (485956)
10-13-2008 8:09 PM
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Re: Book of Enoch
Could you explain why your 1000 year God day is not included in this division of time?
Could you also explain why it seems chapter 65 contradicts chapter 33? http://reluctant-messenger.com/2enoch01-68.htm#Chapter11
Think he just talking about how we experience time to have meaning for our day to day lives.
When talking about prophecy he uses words like 1 week prophecy of Daniel to mean 7 years Daniel 9:27 when the peace treaty with Israel is signed it starts the tribulation of the apocalypse.
When Christ steps on the mount of olives that will fullfill the 70 week prophecy. It says in akjv matthew 24 that this generation will not all pass away and were the generation. Lots of theories but it all seems based on the land being the Lords and Zechariah 14:5 has it that Jerusalem will be taken just before the Lord God sets his feet upon the mount of olives.
We'll here's another senerio based on days. In 1967 Jerusalem became part of Israel add 49 years to the jubilee and you come to 2016. Given that the jubilee year is the year right after the 49 th year you have the 50th year being the year of jubilee when the land will reverts back (like gaza) it seems you have 2017 the year of jubilee.
If you subtract 7 years from 2016 you have 2009 being the year the apocalypse starts rapture, etc... Thats kind of how I see it however in heaven we will know all but perhaps its a bit like Paul said in this life we see things not clearly but in heaven all things will be clear.
In 1 Corinthians 13:12 we hear the Apostle Paul say "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."
P.S. If rapture happens at the last trump of God by the book of the revelation the last trump of God " rapture " appears to happen before the first angel even sounds the first angelic trumpet after the opening of the seventh seal. Thus after the sixth seals opened appears to start the tribulation and immediately after the Lords last trump the gathering of the elect from the four corners of the earth? Thus are we all in for a big earthquake? matthew 24:29-31 says immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun be darkened and the moon not give its light And then the Son of man come in the clouds sounding his trumpet and the angels gathering the elect from the four corners of the earth and interesting seems to agree with revelation chapter 7:1 & matthew 24:31. If rapture happens in 2009 the feast of trumpets is September 19th 2009?
It just seems to me everyone is looking more to a mid trib rapture or post trib pre wrath rapture thus are those folk looking for a pre-trib rapture more ready? Watching, etc...
When the false messiah signs a treaty for with conditions of peace with Israel is when the apocalypse 7 year clock starts however "now" is the time were instructed to watch. Get earthquake coverage on your insurance policy better yet get oil for your lamps and look up cause the bible says to watch akjv matthew 24:44 says we know not the hour. It does sound though at the very least were all going to experience a devastating earthquake that will darken the sky before the rapture occurs slightly less than 7 years before the completion of the sixth day from my viewpoint.
akjv Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. akjv Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready; for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
http://www.tulsachurchofgod.net/...ays/Holy_Day_Calendar.htm
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Message 75 of 121 (486037)
10-15-2008 10:27 AM
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Re: Re A Genesis Day
So tell that to the people who state that the sun was created on the 4th day.
Just tell those people that the earths orbit started on day 4 its rotation started on day one. He cleared the atmosphere on day 4 and by causing the moon and the earth to orbit instead of just sitting on the circle of the sun to rule the day and moon instead of just sitting on the circle of the earth to orbit the earth to rule the night. God said he did this also so we could measure time for signs, for seasons, days, and years.
Then quote Isaiah about the Lord sitting on the circle of the earth and how today this scientific principle is how you can have a satellight sit on the circle of the earth yet not orbit the earth.
P.S. Think about it why your able to locate that satellight for GPS or satellight tv, cell phones is due to the satellight is not orbiting the earth but sitting on the circle of the earth.

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Message 77 of 121 (486055)
10-15-2008 1:30 PM
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Re: Re A Genesis Day
I think you might be onto something that God by causing motion moved the earth and all the planets causing them to fall around the sun; to their respective orbits including the moon. The speed of the moon for months, the speed of the earth to give us years and the circle of the orbit around the sun to give us the stars for the night sky with north/south stars continually visible in the night sky while the east west stars of the universe changing as the earth orbits the sun how God gave us these stars for signs and seasons, etc...
Its said it was not until the 4th day that the sun was placed in it particular place in the firmament of the day sky and the moon in the night sky.
The size of the moon and the sun the same size in the sky due to distance respective to the size gives us the same size in for the sun and the moon in the sky (firmament).
P.S. Was the earth always orbiting the sun ? When was this law created?
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Placing a Geostationary Satellite in Orbit
Geostationary satellites are very useful: They remain above the same spot on earth and so can be used to bounce communication signals to and from locations far beyond the horizon without the need for cables or land-based relay stations.
http://staff.science.nus.edu.sg/~parwani/htw/c2/node10.html

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