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Author Topic:   Have complex human-made things been designed?
Mylakovich
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Message 31 of 85 (480499)
09-04-2008 4:00 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by AlphaOmegakid
09-03-2008 10:31 PM


Re: Spontaneous response
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Prove He didn't.
That's not how this works. If you assert something, the burden of proof lies upon yourself. If you assert something improvable and outside the realm of falcafiablility, it's your own fault.
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We can only theorize based on the evidence. My theory is the components (matter) were made by converting some of God's energy to matter. That's scientific.
It most certainly isn't scientific. It might sound that way to you, because you co-op and misuse the language of physics to sound 'scientific'. However, "Science" isn't a collection of buzzwords. It is a philosophy for methodically and systematically collecting and analyzing evidence to discover and understand the natural world. It is disciplined enough to exclude unsupported and unsubstantiated claims, despite our preconceived desires to believe them.
But that is exactly the fundamental error of Intelligent Design; you begin with the unproven (indeed, unprovable) assertion that there is a god. Perhaps this is due to a religious upbringing, an emotional experience, or a deep desire for purpose. But these individual bias must be excluded if you wish to claim that your thinking is "Scientific".
This is why you make meaningless statements like:
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What is the difference between 'God did it' and 'Nature did it'? If God controls nature, then aren't they equal statements. Discovering truths of nature is the same as discovering the truths of God.
If your unsupported, un evidenced god is conveniently identical to the evidence we have to understand nature, then this logically makes him irrelevant to our understanding of nature (i.e. Science). Why assert thing unnecessarily?
I won't even comment on your quoting the bible.

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Mylakovich
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From: Cambridgeshire, UK
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Message 36 of 85 (480554)
09-04-2008 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by AlphaOmegakid
09-04-2008 10:00 AM


Re: Spontaneous response
Who claimed that "God created" is scientific. I certainly didn't. You have created a giant strawman.
You absolutely did, you liar. In message 22 you reply:
onifre writes:
Right, but where did the DNA come from?
It came from the design of God as well as a myriad of other things did.
But the most hilarious bit comes from this:
"God created" is definitely not scientific by definition. It is a faith. That faith has been proven to over 2 billion people (argumentum ad populum). I repeat it is not scientific. It is faith based.
So you repeat MY OWN POINT back to me, and quote the name of a LOGICAL FALLACY to support MY OWN POINT!? You are the worst debater I've ever seen.
You are also deeply misinformed about the nature of evidence and faith.
The faith is founded on evidence. Some of that evidence is historical documents, prophecies fulfilled, miracles performed and documented, testimonies of eyewitnesses, archeology, and much of the evidence is also scientific.
Proof happens every day in the courtrooms. That proof goes way beyond the realm of science. But science is often part of that proof. That's where my faith lay. It's a combination of all those evidences above. I've not limited myself to just natural knowlege like you have. There is much more knowledge in this world that is not scientific. You may want to try and learn some sometime.
I don't think that you are trolling, because I'm quite accustomed to the level of ignorance of fundamental aspects of science that ID proponents display. I find it funny that you add in little jabs at my understanding, as though they would faze me.
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Edited by Mylakovich, : spelling

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