EvC Forum: Have complex human-made things been designed?

bluegenes writes:

You've brought us neatly back on topic there. I agree, the design does follow an evolutionary pattern....

I am going to show you the problem with you analogy in this one sentence. Your analogy works only if there is an intelligent designer. If there is an intelligent designer then your analogy makes sense.

However, you don't, nor does science believe that there is an intelligent designer. There is no design in evolution. Zilch, nada.
Organisms aren't designed. They are randomly generated by nature.
Many have written that organisms have the "appearance" or the "illusion" of being designed. Herein lies the magic. It is the illusion of design that comes from the slight of hand of millions of years. There is no magic with the designer. Only the evolutionist.

Emmergence is the "poof" of evolution. There is no "poof" with a designed product. The product is produced according to a designed plan of pre-existing elements. Emergence is the "poof" of millions of years and spontaneous generation.

bluegenes writes:

Unfortunately for this view, religion doesn't fit the pattern of science, which, when there are divisions of opinion, will always eventually unite in the direction of the evidence.

This is only true for the non- religious elements. With the religious, even though scientific evidence may show one thing, they will still believe their religious convictions irregardless of the evidence. Note: this doesn't mean the religion is false. Abiogenesis and spontaneous generation has never died even though it was disproved 150 years ago. It is a religious default philosophy in light of the discovery of the law of biogenesis.

bluegenes writes:

Belief in the soul and some sort of "afterlife" is the one basic religious belief that seems to exist in all known cultures, so it seems unlikely that the Israelites were an exception, don't you agree? I think that if we had a time machine and could go back to any point in the history of our species that we could find this kind of belief, but I don't know if I could present evidence for this.

Of course, because the Bible must be discredited as evidence, because it is the only recorded history back to the beginning when the concepts of body soul and spirit first originated and are well documented in the book.

No the Israelites were not the first to understand immortality. Adam understood it very well until he wasn't allowed to eat from the tree of life any longer. But this is just mythological fables, and it cannot be allowed as evidence.

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