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Message 40 of 265 (484661)
09-30-2008 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by johnfolton
09-29-2008 1:47 AM


Re: Primodial Polonium Halo Young Earth!
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Granite (pronounced /rænt/) is a common and widely occurring type of intrusive, felsic, igneous rock. Granite has a medium to coarse texture, occasionally with some individual crystals larger than the groundmass forming a rock known as porphyry.
The key word is intrusive that is forming from magma within the crust. The halos only occur after the rock has become an outcrop, thus even if the halos are only ~6000 years old it would in no way imply that there is a young earth for how does one know when the outcrop occured.

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Message 44 of 265 (484688)
09-30-2008 10:18 PM
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09-30-2008 9:58 PM


Re: Primodial Polonium Halo Young Earth!
It all suggests granite formed suddenly almost like the hand of God. right? Bose-Einstein condensate? like were talking primordial polonium still existing like a super cooling situation. right?
Page not found | Physics | University of Colorado Boulder | University of Colorado Boulder
So how cold do the atoms have to be to reach BEC?
Less than one millionth of a degree above Absolute Zero, which is millions of times colder than the lowest temperature found in the depths of outer space.
Evidently your Bose-Einstein codensate hypothesis isn't cold enough.

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Message 59 of 265 (484904)
10-03-2008 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Minnemooseus
10-02-2008 8:45 PM


Re: Why does "instantly created" equate to "young"?
There is a short pre-intrusion process history of the Earth's geology. Then a granitic intrusion happens with an instant total solidity. Then there is a further short post-intrusion process history.
If the above occurred it would not be granite.
The closest that it could be would be granite porphyry
granite is a plutonic igneous rock.
from Rocks and Minerals, Simon & Shuster
intrusive (or plutonic), crystallized slowly at depth, under pressures too great to allow the escape of magmatic gases
Webster's Unabridged Dictionary
Porphyry
(n.)
A term used somewhat loosely to designate a rock consisting of a fine-grained base (usually feldspathic) through which crystals, as of feldspar or quartz, are disseminated. There are red, purple, and green varieties, which are highly esteemed as marbles.
(the bold is for emphasis)

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Message 72 of 265 (485387)
10-07-2008 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by AlphaOmegakid
10-07-2008 5:37 PM


Re: More Polonium Poppycock Palaver ... no rebuttals of mobile Radon, just denial
Now you may not like this hypothesis, because known physics laws can be violated in a singularity. However, let me remind you that this is exactly what is promoted by mainstream science in the BBT (the uniformitarian creation model). A singularity in which the known laws of physics and quantum mechanics breaks down.
You have just proved yourself wrong in the way you use the idea of singularities, "this hypothesis." A hypothesis is an attempt to come up with the answer to a question, a possible solution which in itself is useless until tested, evaluated, etc. so as to draw a conclusion whether the hypothesis is right or wrong. Until such time as to the singularity hypothesis is judged as relevant, it is not a theory.
Next please!

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Message 118 of 265 (486695)
10-23-2008 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by AlphaOmegakid
10-23-2008 5:04 PM


Re: Still Shooting Blanks - Still Zero evidence of Rn222
I am not sure what you are trying to prove, but the fundimental aspect is that all "natural" polonium has to have been formed from the decay of Rn222. If there is no Uranium in the sample than the Rn 222 has to have been somehow transported to where the Po218 is. Granite forms in 2 different ways, from the solidification of felsic magma or through the procees of metamophism called granitization where heat & pressure cause accessory minerals such as quartz, orthoclase, biotite, muscovite etc. to recrystallize as granite. The other point is that there would be little if any primordial granite exposed as outcrops do to the natural weathering processes, most outcrop granite is either of recent origin or recently exposed outcrops of formerly intrusive igneous intrusions.

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Message 120 of 265 (486706)
10-23-2008 7:51 PM
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10-23-2008 6:38 PM


Re: Not trying to prove anything.
But if all the granites were formed within minutes, as the evidence suggests, then there really aren't any billion year old rocks. If the earth is young, then all the granites would be primordial.
If the granite formed within minutes, it wouldn't be granite, it would be something akin to tephrite or basanite or even obsidian. The large crystals form only with slow cooling of the magma. Rapid cooling produces minute crystals or amorphous glass.

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Message 127 of 265 (486766)
10-24-2008 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by AlphaOmegakid
10-24-2008 9:12 AM


Re: Not trying to prove anything.
Actually most if not all attempts a making a synthetic granite from magma with slow cooling have produced fine grains. I don't know of any experiments that have produced large grains. But I'm no geologist.
To get coarse grains one would have to simulate the temp & pressure of the depths where granite forms.
From the article you posted
Granite is an igneous rock and is formed from magma. Granitic magma has many potential origins but it must intrude other rocks. Most granite intrusions are emplaced at depth within the crust, usually greater than 1.5 kilometres and up to 50 km depth within thick continental crust.
Ther has been to my knowlege any attempts to form arificial granite under these conditions.

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