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John 10:10

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Message 376 of 479 (493155)
01-06-2009 2:57 PM

Reply to: Message 375 by onifre
01-05-2009 8:06 AM

Re: Transformers - more than meets the eye.

The different sects within the Christian faith provide the proper example for differences of interpretation, and yet even within the sects themselves there is differences. So who or what establishes a final set of guildlines for reading the Bible?

I propose that sinners read the Bible long enough and far enough to convince themselves that they are in need of a Savoir, and then yield themselves to God's saving grace through Jesus our Lord.

If sinners aren't convinced they need a Savior and enter into God's salvation, then interpreting what God has to say in the rest of the Bible can be of some temporal value, but has no eternal valve.

Blessings

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Message 386 of 479 (493544)
01-09-2009 10:55 AM

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01-08-2009 5:28 PM

Re: Transformers - more than meets the eye.

What if they do just that and come to the conclusion, based on an enormous amount of physical evidence, that the Bible does not contain the word of any God and that they do not need any kind of salvation, what then...?

Does God punish them for this self determined conclusion...?

Try using that logic when you stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

What you seem to be implying here is that God has placed all of the weight on my ability to read and interpret texts that have been translated and whos origins are unfound. Seems like a very thin rope that God has hung my eternal salvation on.

God has hung your eternal salvation on a cross 2000 years ago. The starting place is to open and honest with God and ask Him to help you with your unbelief. He won't go against your will, but He does make sinners He is drawing to Himself willing to repent.

You are saying that I need to convince myself; the weight of the entire thing lies on my ability to interpret texts. So, then, interpretations of the scriptures are of value, so again, who sets the marker on HOW to interpret?

Any person can read the Bible and come to some understanding of the Bible as a historical book. But interpretating the full spiritual message of God's love letter Bible is reserved for His children who have been born into His family.

Blessings

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Message 390 of 479 (493948)
01-11-2009 10:46 PM

Reply to: Message 387 by onifre
01-09-2009 11:24 AM

Re: Transformers - more than meets the eye.

But interpretating the full spiritual message of God's love letter Bible is reserved for His children who have been born into His family.

Ok, now you are not making sense. If it is reserved for His children then a non-believer can NEVER become a believer because he will never interpret it right. There are people who have never read the Bible but would like to become believers. However, if they pick up the Bible to read it they can't interpret it properly because they are not part of the club yet, but, they can't become part of the club until they read the Bible and see if it is the true word of God or just another one of the many mythological stories we have.

Did you understand everything about your "onifre" family the moment you were born into this world? I don't think so! You were basically a loud noise on one end and a mess on the other end. As you grew from babyhood to manhood, you learned what what being a member of the "onifre" family was all about, and how respect, love and honor your parents.

The same thing is true for those who are born into God's family (John 1:12-13). But one must first be born into God's family as Jesus declared in John 3:3-7 before one can see and understand the kingdom of God (Jesus' words, not mine).

At least admit that you belive what is written in the Bible, not because you have read it and determined it to be true, but simply because you believe in the Christian God and would accept anything that the Bible says regardless of how false it may be.

If Christianity is nothing but a belief system, then it's no better than any other belief system man may offer.

I believe what is written in the Bible is true because when I obeyed the truth of Acts 2:38, the same thing happened to me as Jesus promised in John 14,

15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.

Blessings

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Message 393 of 479 (493991)
01-12-2009 12:24 PM

Reply to: Message 391 by onifre
01-11-2009 11:56 PM

Re: Transformers - more than meets the eye.

Is there anything you or others at the EvC forum can believe in and "know" that what you believe in is true? Probably not!

Since you do not believe there is a God, and that you are in need of God's salvation, it is foolish for me or other Christians to try to explain to you how He manifests/proves Himself to those that are born into His family as Jesus declared in John 3:3-7.

Blessings

PS - I've made sure that I've obeyed the right Person.

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Message 398 of 479 (494531)
01-16-2009 5:07 PM

Reply to: Message 394 by NosyNed
01-12-2009 12:54 PM

Re: Picking the right message...

I think many have asked you just how you have made sure. It may be that you simply need the right drug like others who hear voices in their heads. In fact, that is the most likely explanation giving what we know about mental health.

That is your explanation, but not mine. My explanation is the one Jesus gives:

John 10:27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

PS - The only drug I take is the gift of the Holy Spirit which He gives to His children.

Blessings

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